Sick Cornuta...Neurological?

[GrifTheGreat]

Poop was runny on the cornuta. No skin lesions. Just went and checked him. He's dead. He looked like he had air bubbles in his stomach (his belly skin is translucent apparently. I could see the bubbles. He always ate good, but not as often as the other Cornuta.

I probably let the peppermints substrate go too long (3 weeks).

The only other thing I can think of is I.added some spring tails to all my cages about two weeks ago.

Sounds like your Cornuta had either parasites or a bacterial infection. The lean is usually a sign of pnemonia too. Fluid will build up in one of the lungs causing them to lean, but it could have been that the Green was lame(weak genetics). If you can I would have a Necropsy done on the Cornuta for an exact cause. Just a side note on Cornuta. They tend to like higher humidity. Usually around 80% to 85% and occationally higher.

On the Peppermint more than likely something was in the substrate causeing the skin to rot. Could have even been maggots, but they are usually visible. There is a disease they can get that causes the skin to rot or fall off, but I cannot remember the name or what causes it. If you can swab the frogs skin and seal the swab in bag and have a Vet test it. Something is seriously wrong here.

[DeeDub]

Could a fogger lead to pneumonia? I'll call the vet see with the test or necropsy would be price wise. I'm not gonna spend; a bunch of money on a dead frog....that's just me. I see the merit in it for future preventative measures, but I'm just not going to spend money to have the vet tell me they don't know what was wrong. herp vets here are not very good.

[ornate510]

How do yoh get rid of pneumonia or the fluid build up?.

[Lija]

DeeDub, so sorry for your loss
runny stool + eating but not growing much + gas sounds like protozoa infection to me. I would do fecal exam on the other one too if plexiglass that separates tanks is not sealed.

fogger could lead to pneumonia if humidity is too high and not enough of airflow. Usually that goes in combination with big fluctuations of temps and humidity.

[Lija]

Deedub, did your pepermint have any contact with cornuta and/or any of your other frogs? I mean through water/tongs/anything? how old he is and was he ok before?

[DeeDub]

I'll get a fecal done on everyone. Already have it lined out for next Mon. I need to collect some turds though.

Yes I've used the same tongs. The plexi was not sealed in. The sub was pretty smelly.

I'm pretty sure this was my failure. It sucks.

The peppermint was healthy when I got it. He lost a little weight due to stress, but gained it back and was doing well. He is improving. His color is back. I'll keep him on paper towels in a deli cup for a few more days. When I change his water it is usually pretty smelly.

[Lija]

not necessarily your failure, on a contrary it sounds as you were doing everything right and I imagine how bad you feel, been there too and it sucks.
look if I were you I would quarantine everyone who was in contact, clean and disinfect everything. keep very close eye on the other cornuta. smelly in combination with above symptoms sounds very much as pathogenic protozoa. when you take fecal samples make sure they all fresh. Peppermint might have that too, but sometimes protozoa just weakens immunity and then it looks like bacterial infection on a skin + slightly runny and smelly poop. By smelly I mean excessively smelly if you know what i mean.

[GrifTheGreat]

Protozoa infections are normally caused by exposure to dirty stagnant water for ampbibs, but if the substrate was over saturated then they can begin there. Lija has pretty much covered everything on the protozoa, but usually blood is in the runny stool once the frog has the full blown infection. Worms can also cause these symotoms so a parasite is most definitely the cause. A Flagyl/Panacur solution is great at killing protozoa and parasitic worms. Your Vet may percribe this after a fecal exam if the results prove positive.

Skin falling off though is not a normal symptom of these infections, but dry skin is which could be why the frog is having trouble shedding and can damage the sensitive skin beneath. This could explain the damaged or missing skin.