Phoenix worms passed whole (poop pic, but don't worry, it just looks like phoenix worms)

[yoshimi]

aww, poor shrek. i did get crickets at petco yesterday. they had the to-go cups and they all looked fresh and alive, with that green blob looking brand new. the "smalls" looked too small, and the "mediums" just right, but instead, i got a girl to scoop me out 50 in a bag. some are real small, but i think she gave me way more than 50. they must've just gotten delivery in or something. also got a backing for his tank as they were on clearance. but i got the wrong size, oops. i can cut it down and finally get rid of the forest scene my bf printed out for him that is pretty mangled now. glad your crickets are guaranteed.
i still have a cup of phoenix worms, and the only thing i can think to do with them besides freezing them and killing them (the thought makes me sad somehow), is dust them with vitamin powder, and that way they'd be a vehicle for some kind of nutrition, even if they themselves are a waste. if he's not digesting them in such a great number, then i don't see how he's getting anything out of them. from the pics, you can tell they're obviously not causing any blockages, so i'll probably give it a try.

[Sasha]

Sorry to be gross but someone left me a present in the last 1 1/2 hours. I think it might have been Shrek because he's been more subdued than normal. I'm really surprised because I think the last time they got worms was Saturday or Sunday, so it took a whole 4-5 days to pass. As you will see from the photo, one came out whole but dead the other two were just shells.

[yoshimi]

ewwwww, jk, i've seen worse. just the other day actually. a warm bath in deli cup produced 12 or 13 more worms, some partially digested, and at least two alive. i'd dusted them in reptivite thinking it may be a way not to waste them, but never again. i didn't take a pic, just froze the whole mess and the rest of them. i hadn't fed him worms in days either. i can't believe i thought the ones i'd find in his dirt were escapees. it obviously didn't add up. <<shudder>>

seems like whoever it was that left you a present got something from them, but maybe they're just not good for frogs? it's too bad. and tree frogs need warmth right? i was thinking maybe it wasn't warm enough for Banjo's tummy, but doesn't seem like that matters much here.

i'll just keep calcium dusting the food he can digest. and oh, i remembered why i hate crickets. they don't respect me. hopping around and hiding, ignoring the boundaries of food dish. Can't wait til my dubia have their babies. some of the ladies are looking mighty plump!

[Sasha]

I found this on another forum when I searched for undigested Phoenix worms in stool:

"Passing undigested PWs is an occurrence that happens occasionally. It's relatively rare but is seen more often in amphibians because they tend to not chew their food and they have very short digestive systems. Frog hobbyists and breeders tell us that they see this sometimes with other feeders. They suggest "pinning" the prey (pierce with a needle before serving) to allow digestive juices to easily penetrate which ensures complete digestion. Breeders tell us that they do not view this as a problem--they compare it to humans finding undigested kernels of corn in the toilet bowl. The many reports of enhanced growth and improved health indicates that animals being fed PWs benefit from the superior nutrition the worms provide. __________________ Craig Sheppard, Ph.D. President, Insect Science Resource Professor Emeritus, UGA www.phoenixworm.com"

As long as my super friends are acting normal, I'm not going to worry about it. Someone left me some more worm poop today so hopefully they are all done!