Thanks re: frog avatar... I "borrowed" it somewhere off the net years ago. Feel free to right click and save too <g> Just called the pet store and now they say they are actually crickets, but since only 2-4 weeks don't sing. At about 7 weeks they start to sing ... or so they say, since they said they were baby beetles instead of crickets in the first place really makes me wonder who knows what. I will go back there for crickets though, the ones at Petco are constantly singing and driving us crazy.