ornata or cranwelli?

[arielgasca420]

Hello everyone,
I was sold this Ceratrophrys about a year ago at a reputable pet store (what I thought was reputable)
They sold it to me as a C. ornata, but now I am thinking it is a C. cranwelli because of the coloring and the protruding horns. I will try to get some good pics on here for you to help me figure out what I actually have. Thanks for reading!

[mikesfrogs]

Its a cranwelli

[arielgasca420]

oh darn! I got tricked once again and for the last time by this pet store. At least I know what to look for in the future.
Thanks for the ID Mike!

[mikesfrogs]

No problem.

[DeeDub]

oh darn! I got tricked once again and for the last time by this pet store. At least I know what to look for in the future.
Thanks for the ID Mike!

Oh darn? Sherry and I told you it was a Crannies a long time ago (Nov) when you tried to sell it as Ornate. Here's the link http://www.frogforum.net/sale-trade/...te-pacman.html

[GrifTheGreat]

Not only is that a Cranwelli, but it looks like a female, but appearance can be decieveing. Its a nice Cranwelli.

[arielgasca420]

Oh darn? Sherry and I told you it was a Crannies a long time ago (Nov) when you tried to sell it as Ornate. Here's the link http://www.frogforum.net/sale-trade/...te-pacman.html

I am trying to sell it locally right now, but I did not specifiy on craigslist if it was cranwelli or ornata. I had totally forgot about the ID before. it was something I was never concerned with, but you have to be when selling to breeders.
The store sold it to me as a male C. ornata. hopefully they at least sexed it right!

[GrifTheGreat]

I am trying to sell it locally right now, but I did not specifiy on craigslist if it was cranwelli or ornata. I had totally forgot about the ID before. it was something I was never concerned with, but you have to be when selling to breeders.
The store sold it to me as a male C. ornata. hopefully they at least sexed it right!

Check for nuptial pads.

[mikesfrogs]

You want to take pics of the top its thumb.

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[DeeDub]

That's gotta be a female.....either you have baby hands or that is a pretty big Pac!....lol.

Nuptials will be on the inside, top of the thumb. Will usually have a darker coloring, but a picture of the top inside of the front foot is what we need. Very cool frog!

[GrifTheGreat]

Definitely need to see the top of the front feet so we can see the inner side of the thumb. Nice and chubby ol!

[arielgasca420]

I will get a better picture tonight. hopefully with better lighting

[mikesfrogs]

[QUOTE=DeeDub;154200]That's gotta be a female.....either you have baby hands or that is a pretty big Pac!....lol.

That's what I was thinking. Even my biggest pacs still look small in my hands.lol

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[arielgasca420]

sorry guys but i couldnt get a good picture of the inner feet. its hard to hold a slippery frog with one hand and take a picture with the other in bathroom lighting. this is the best I got

[emandkel]

sorry guys but i couldnt get a good picture of the inner feet. its hard to hold a slippery frog with one hand and take a picture with the other in bathroom lighting. this is the best I got

Can't tell with that pic ... this is what you are looking for (see circled area) -- this is a male, the nuptial pad will look like a mole or slightly raised dark spot. The females don't have the pad/dark spot.

[GrifTheGreat]

Female Ariel