Most needed Horned Frog information

[GrifTheGreat]

Don't take it to heart. If you are that easily bothered then don't contribute. No one has to do anything that they don't want to do. A care sheet of this magnitude is a serious concept so I understand his no humor necessary attitude. I'm not bothered by it and I normally respond to every post within minutes and I have seen many people post seconds after a new thread arises.

Sure you can't expect everyone to reply within a couple hours, but when someone askes for information that many want and need in a care sheet and no one replies, it kind of seems like no one is interested. Especially with how much traffic crosses the Pacman Forum. I don't have over 6'000 posts because I like typing until my fingers cramp Lol!

Just bear with him ok.

[Mercedesherp]

My expectations of member involvement rest totally upon experiences, understandings, recognizations, husbandry skills, etc., do's and/or dont's, worked for me..., or moreover, a balanced approach
to teaching the new keepers. My ideas may conflict heavily with those of others, at the same time, the ideas of others may conflict with mine. There are basic understandings and skills that can help all.
There were no vauge,,, sarcastic, or insults intended.
We can learn the most from communicating openly with each other. Practicle information is what is most needed, IMHO.
As a member, I would think that you would be more than happy to help others without being "asked"
You have no responsibility to do so.
Hank

[DVirginiana]

I teach; if I was that easily offended I would spend my days curled up on the couch in tears lol. That being said, you do catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

What I said in my first post (along with the only care suggestion I could think of) was that the context of the initial post was unclear. They are worded very professionally to the point of being difficult to read (especially on a very informal and laid back forum), and we weren't told WHY this information was being collected.
Normally you aren't the only person to respond within a few minutes of a post being put up (though you do have a great track record for it ). Don't you think that the lack of responses probably had something to do with confusion about what was being asked rather than people just not wanting to answer? I wouldn't hesitate to tell a new keeper having a problem that they needed to be more specific in telling us their care techniques if I thought it would help them get the info they were looking for. I don't see why it should be considered a 'personal attack' to point out that a little more specific info would get him the responses he wanted.

A care sheet of this magnitude is a serious concept so I understand his no humor necessary attitude.

This is exactly my point; until you posted, no one knew it was for a serious caresheet project! A caresheet or book was never mentioned; that's why I asked and suggested another thread making the purpose of collecting this info clearer. My response to some random person asking for 'basic practical info' on a pacman frog in order of importance is somewhere along the lines of "Why would you rank your care in order of importance?! You need to do it all! Are any of your frogs having specific problems?". My response to someone wanting to organize an official care guide would be much more in line with what you posted.

As a member, I would think that you would be more than happy to help others without being "asked"

That's why I give information whenever it is asked for and I feel I have something useful to add. I give advice to a lot of people that would rather I keep it to myself, but if I feel they are missing a point that could cause their frog harm I am actually very difficult to shut up. However, if I don't know what I'm talking about or feel someone else has already said everything that needs saying I usually don't post.

[GrifTheGreat]

No one said anything about an attack DV. I'm just asking everyone to bear with him.

There has been a plan for a more substantial Care Sheet/Book for a while now. Namio was the first to suggest we fo so and Hank volunteered back then so this isn't something that hasn't been mentioned before. He has bred C. cornuta and has much experience with Horn Frogs.

He speaks professionally because he is professional. If all goes well we should have a great care guide that goes further into detail than most out there now. Could take a while though.

I believe we're all on the same page now.

[DVirginiana]

So this is the same project that Locascio has been posting on for a couple days? If it is, is there a way those posts could be put in a sticky or something? Or just a way to for other forum members to access the sections before it is complete?

No one said anything about an attack DV.

"This type of response is off topic, and seems postured at a more personal level. A simple PM addressing your concerns would seem more appropiate in maintaing the integrity of the thread." May have been aimed at another post. idk. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I wasn't leveling anything at anyone personally, just asking for clarification same as I would on any other thread.

He speaks professionally because he is professional.

Yeah, it's not a problem (much better than some of the scientific journal papers I have to hack through), I was just saying that it may be a reason for the lack of responses since it is a very different tone from what typically gets posted here.

[GrifTheGreat]

So this is the same project that Locascio has been posting on for a couple days? If it is, is there a way those posts could be put in a sticky or something? Or just a way to for other forum members to access the sections before it is complete?



"[COLOR=#333333]This type of response is off topic, and seems postured at a more personal level. A simple PM addressing your concerns would seem more appropiate in maintaing the integrity of the thread." May have been aimed at another post. idk. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I wasn't leveling anything at anyone personally, just asking for clarification same as I would on any other thread.



Yeah, it's not a problem (much better than some of the scientific journal papers I have to hack through), I was just saying that it may be a reason for the lack of responses since it is a very different tone from what typically gets posted here.

Lol! Scientific journals. Now there's some DRY reading.

Locascio is taking information from books from breeders and hobbiests. Not really something we were working on. I believe he posted that information to help with what Hank is working on. He added where the info came from at the bottom of each post. I cant really stickey that info. I believe permission may be needed to do so.

[DVirginiana]

Lol! Scientific journals. Now there's some DRY reading.

Incredibly so.

[DeeDub]

Well the thread has definitely 'drifted' now. I honestly wasn't sure WTH was being asked because Hanks vernacular comes across as a way to achieve a type of personal satisfaction gained from everyone else's perceived ......lack of professionalism??? Lol. I do come here for entertainment. It comes in the form of information, the opportunity to help others, looking at everyone's pics, and occasionally conducting mild trolling operations against people I think are funny. This is social media. Its suppose to be fun. I like when people put out great info and take steps to clarify all the misinformation that is prevalent in this hobby. I don't like people with a distinct lack of personality. To request info, respond to posts, start threads that are pretty ambiguous etc. For what seems like the sole purpose of validating that you are the most important source of this information, on a SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLET, and that actually detracts from any potential gain by the majority of members reading the content, is on a whole detrimental to the community and should be moderated the same as bad behavior IMO.

No attack here. Just using my right to opine via social media.

[GrifTheGreat]

Well the thread has definitely 'drifted' now. I honestly wasn't sure WTH was being asked because Hanks vernacular comes across as a way to achieve a type of personal satisfaction gained from everyone else's perceived ......lack of professionalism??? Lol. I do come here for entertainment. It comes in the form of information, the opportunity to help others, looking at everyone's pics, and occasionally conducting mild trolling operations against people I think are funny. This is social media. Its suppose to be fun. I like when people put out great info and take steps to clarify all the misinformation that is prevalent in this hobby. I don't like people with a distinct lack of personality. To request info, respond to posts, start threads that are pretty ambiguous etc. For what seems like the sole purpose of validating that you are the most important source of this information, on a SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLET, and that actually detracts from any potential gain by the majority of members reading the content, is on a whole detrimental to the community and should be moderated the same as bad behavior IMO.

No attack here. Just using my right to opine via social media.

Just because someones personality differs from yours DeeDub doesn't provoke any need to be Moderated. I enjoy a laugh on here as well, but the mojority of the time right in the middle of a thread where someone's frog is dying and assistance is very much needed a CHUCKLE is completely ot needed and derails the thread off what it's purpose was in the first place.

It happens here SSSOOOOOOO much. Don't worry about any attack. I don't see one, but you can't always expect everyone to explain why their personality is the way it is. I understand where you're coming from though.

[Lija]

No one said anything about an attack DV. I'm just asking everyone to bear with him.

There has been a plan for a more substantial Care Sheet/Book for a while now. Namio was the first to suggest we fo so and Hank volunteered back then so this isn't something that hasn't been mentioned before. He has bred C. cornuta and has much experience with Horn Frogs.

He speaks professionally because he is professional. If all goes well we should have a great care guide that goes further into detail than most out there now. Could take a while though.

I believe we're all on the same page now.

well..... if the thread would have started like : "we are planning on creating comprehensive care sheet and need ....." the whole thing would have gone differently. I doubt there would be a single person on here who would have refused to help any way they can. If I can help I will without asked, but when someone is saying he is expecting that, the only response in my mind is " screw you". Everybody personalities are different, the responses are different, but the tone of the posts came across as arrogant, therefore, processional or not, behave and be respectful to everyone, including people who like humor like DeeDub here

what needed to be done in a first place is to explain clearly on what is happening, what is needed, why and where all that is going to be used/posted.

and actually I still would like to know that

[GrifTheGreat]

well..... if the thread would have started like : "we are planning on creating comprehensive care sheet and need ....." the whole thing would have gone differently. I doubt there would be a single person on here who would have refused to help any way they can. If I can help I will without asked, but when someone is saying he is expecting that, the only response in my mind is " screw you". Everybody personalities are different, the responses are different, but the tone of the posts came across as arrogant, therefore, processional or not, behave and be respectful to everyone, including people who like humor like DeeDub here

what needed to be done in a first place is to explain clearly on what is happening, what is needed, why and where all that is going to be used/posted.

and actually I still would like to know that

He will come on here and ask what is needed in a care sheet like he already has and we offer our assistance. He will put it together and John and I will look it over and edit as needed before actually placing it on here.

[Lija]

now we're talking! great idea! short and clear

thank you Grif! will look forward

[GrifTheGreat]

now we're talking! great idea! short and clear

thank you Grif! will look forward

You're welcome.