Most needed Horned Frog information

[Lija]

Griff,
I do expect experienced members to contribute
to anything that I may say about this.

you do expect? are you serious? lmao

happy holidays to you too.

[GrifTheGreat]

you do expect? are you serious? lmao

happy holidays to you too.

Don't take it as he's making anyone contribute. If you want a serious solid care sheet/book then experienced keepers and breeders need to contribute to this task.

[Lija]

there is a difference between expecting and asking. If we are talking about contributions to creating caresheet/book that had to be specified, however the tone of the posts don't do anything for me to want to help in any way. sorry

[DVirginiana]

Don't take it as he's making anyone contribute. If you want a serious solid care sheet/book then experienced keepers and breeders need to contribute to this task.

I wouldn't mind a legit caresheet or book. But I don't think that failing to respond within a couple hours of a very vague post warrants sarcastic and mildly insulting responses either.

[Lija]

I wouldn't mind a legit caresheet or book. But I don't think that failing to respond within a couple hours of a very vague post warrants sarcastic and mildly insulting responses either.

exactly!

[GrifTheGreat]

Don't take it to heart. If you are that easily bothered then don't contribute. No one has to do anything that they don't want to do. A care sheet of this magnitude is a serious concept so I understand his no humor necessary attitude. I'm not bothered by it and I normally respond to every post within minutes and I have seen many people post seconds after a new thread arises.

Sure you can't expect everyone to reply within a couple hours, but when someone askes for information that many want and need in a care sheet and no one replies, it kind of seems like no one is interested. Especially with how much traffic crosses the Pacman Forum. I don't have over 6'000 posts because I like typing until my fingers cramp Lol!

Just bear with him ok.

[Mercedesherp]

My expectations of member involvement rest totally upon experiences, understandings, recognizations, husbandry skills, etc., do's and/or dont's, worked for me..., or moreover, a balanced approach
to teaching the new keepers. My ideas may conflict heavily with those of others, at the same time, the ideas of others may conflict with mine. There are basic understandings and skills that can help all.
There were no vauge,,, sarcastic, or insults intended.
We can learn the most from communicating openly with each other. Practicle information is what is most needed, IMHO.
As a member, I would think that you would be more than happy to help others without being "asked"
You have no responsibility to do so.
Hank

[DVirginiana]

I teach; if I was that easily offended I would spend my days curled up on the couch in tears lol. That being said, you do catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

What I said in my first post (along with the only care suggestion I could think of) was that the context of the initial post was unclear. They are worded very professionally to the point of being difficult to read (especially on a very informal and laid back forum), and we weren't told WHY this information was being collected.
Normally you aren't the only person to respond within a few minutes of a post being put up (though you do have a great track record for it ). Don't you think that the lack of responses probably had something to do with confusion about what was being asked rather than people just not wanting to answer? I wouldn't hesitate to tell a new keeper having a problem that they needed to be more specific in telling us their care techniques if I thought it would help them get the info they were looking for. I don't see why it should be considered a 'personal attack' to point out that a little more specific info would get him the responses he wanted.

A care sheet of this magnitude is a serious concept so I understand his no humor necessary attitude.

This is exactly my point; until you posted, no one knew it was for a serious caresheet project! A caresheet or book was never mentioned; that's why I asked and suggested another thread making the purpose of collecting this info clearer. My response to some random person asking for 'basic practical info' on a pacman frog in order of importance is somewhere along the lines of "Why would you rank your care in order of importance?! You need to do it all! Are any of your frogs having specific problems?". My response to someone wanting to organize an official care guide would be much more in line with what you posted.

As a member, I would think that you would be more than happy to help others without being "asked"

That's why I give information whenever it is asked for and I feel I have something useful to add. I give advice to a lot of people that would rather I keep it to myself, but if I feel they are missing a point that could cause their frog harm I am actually very difficult to shut up. However, if I don't know what I'm talking about or feel someone else has already said everything that needs saying I usually don't post.

[GrifTheGreat]

No one said anything about an attack DV. I'm just asking everyone to bear with him.

There has been a plan for a more substantial Care Sheet/Book for a while now. Namio was the first to suggest we fo so and Hank volunteered back then so this isn't something that hasn't been mentioned before. He has bred C. cornuta and has much experience with Horn Frogs.

He speaks professionally because he is professional. If all goes well we should have a great care guide that goes further into detail than most out there now. Could take a while though.

I believe we're all on the same page now.