Potential Phyllomedusa sauvagii Terrarium Build

[leemowac]

Hey Guys - I have been playing with the idea of turning an empty 40g breeder right side up as vertical for some Phyllomedusa sauvagii. I have built a few dart frog enclosures in the past so I am used to keeping humidity high, not necessarily at a minimum as needed for these critters.

That said my plan was to have the open side (technically top if laying correctly) an all screen door figuring that would be enough ventilation and for humidity to escape. I have read mixed ideas on what I could do. I am assuming that a huge screen door on one side of the set up should suffice.

I could give either give up on the idea or go for an all screen enclosure but I had my heart set on building a little tree and cliffs from the gran chaco region up the sides.

Thanks for any input!
Liam

[Lija]

first of all, how many waxies are you planning on having in there? they're my favorite frogs by far

as for enclosure - they don't need all screen enclosures, in fact I found that those types of tanks are more complicated to keep waxies in because it might be difficult to provide necessary temps. The best enclosures are big screen top ( or side on your case) and glass. so by any means go forward with your idea, but keep in mind the key here is low humidity ( 10-30, max 40%) and good airflow. Don't go too crazy on set up itself, that I'm sure you're itching to do given your experience with darts.

[leemowac]

Hey Lija thanks for the reply

first of all, how many waxies are you planning on having in there? they're my favorite frogs by far

I am thinking 2-3, I like to try and keep as much space for my dudes as I can

as for enclosure - they don't need all screen enclosures, in fact I found that those types of tanks are more complicated to keep waxies in because it might be difficult to provide necessary temps. The best enclosures are big screen top ( or side on your case) and glass. so by any means go forward with your idea, but keep in mind the key here is low humidity ( 10-30, max 40%) and good airflow. Don't go too crazy on set up itself, that I'm sure you're itching to do given your experience with darts.

Awesome good to know. Given their weight I really wanted to build up a few tiers of styrofoam branches figuring I make them thicker than I have in the past for tiny darts.

From what I have read they have similar care to of a lizard more than a frog which doesn't really intimidate me since I have a 7 yr old Bearded Dragon. Even in his tank its 25% humidity but with a much smaller water bowl that the waxies would need. Learning and problem solving process is fun though!

And yeah I have been itching to build something crazy but to quell the need I am helping my friend build a crested gecko tank haha

If you don't mind I may be bugging you for more questions as I get started.

[Lija]

go ahead, will be glad to help, i can talk about waxies for hours lol

if you have beardie, think of waxies as a beardie who likes to sit high up on a branches make sure you have different sized smooth branches. For your size of tank 3 would be maximum amount, get same sex ones.

those are my boys

[leemowac]

Sweet! I'm probably going to start this weekend and I help my buddy build his set up.

Yeah that's why I was feeling just 2 to start with.

Love those pics. Waxy in the middle pic looks hilarious!

Substrate wise what to you use?

[Lija]

right now green felt carpet, but paper towels would work perfectly too. The simpler the better, they pee a lot and will explode on you given a chance lol and then you will wonder how it is possible for THAT amount of stuff coming out of one small frog lol
it is not really possible to do anything fancy just because you don't want to risk impaction and with eco earth in low humidity it is going to be dust = respiratory problems including possible blockage.

here is big mean bully, my huge female Fiona, because she is big and green and kinda ugly at times lol

[leemowac]

Yeah that makes sense I was going to avoid anything dusty or anything that will fit in their mouths. I keep axolotls as well and they are pretty much vacuums.

lol yeah but she looks badass

[Lija]

keep in mind they're not very intelligent creatures, sometimes it makes you think how on earth they survive in nature. when they hunt they can stick their tongue on anything, if they miss cricket there is a real possibility of tons of substrate or loose brunch or parts of decor to go to their stomachs = big trouble.
none of mine got the glass bowl trick for feeding crickets, it was just ridiculous how a very hungry frogs can't figure that out, so I'm guessing their intelligence level is low even for a frog lol
so the best is different sized branches, plastic plants or very strong natural ones that can live in low humidity and don't mind be covered in wax lol. That plant that Fiona is sitting on in the picture was ruined in a week, so now I'm using only artificial ones.

[leemowac]

Are they dumber than axolotls? I think one of mine either bit its own tail or its tank mate did on accident haha. I'm always like how do these guys survive in the wild and in fact supposed to be top of the food chain in their respected ecosystem.

You look like you have a background in there too. What is that made of?
I think I am going to stick with what I know and make my branches using the carving styrofoam and covering with drylock/paint method, that way I have complete control of what the branches will be like. Plus pet store wood is always so expensive. But I guess it wont rot or get covered in mold like in dart tanks. I could always go hunting for sticks in a park I guess.

Yeah I learned plump frogs kill plants when I had a whites years ago. So I am def going the artificial route.

[leemowac]

Lija and Liam,
I'm reading this ..........laughing .
You two are funny !

Very cool frogs , nonetheless!
Lynn

Glad I can make you laugh haha.

[sschind]

Hey Guys - I have been playing with the idea of turning an empty 40g breeder right side up as vertical for some Phyllomedusa sauvagii. I have built a few dart frog enclosures in the past so I am used to keeping humidity high, not necessarily at a minimum as needed for these critters.

That said my plan was to have the open side (technically top if laying correctly) an all screen door figuring that would be enough ventilation and for humidity to escape. I have read mixed ideas on what I could do. I am assuming that a huge screen door on one side of the set up should suffice.

I could give either give up on the idea or go for an all screen enclosure but I had my heart set on building a little tree and cliffs from the gran chaco region up the sides.

Thanks for any input!
Liam

I think you would be fine with the humidity but if I am not mistaken these guys need a pretty warm basking spot. How would you provide that? If you just flip the tank on end you would have a glass top and I don't know how you would heat that. You couldn't put a basking light on it. I've done what you are thinking of doing with other tanks and I usually break out the end (now the top) and put a screen on that side as well

[leemowac]

I think you would be fine with the humidity but if I am not mistaken these guys need a pretty warm basking spot. How would you provide that? If you just flip the tank on end you would have a glass top and I don't know how you would heat that. You couldn't put a basking light on it. I've done what you are thinking of doing with other tanks and I usually break out the end (now the top) and put a screen on that side as well

Ah true... I am not sure cause even PDF tanks with glass tops that isn't an issue since they don't need to bask.

Now is your fear the glass will get too hot to the touch or that the heat just won't go through enough to provide basking heat? I wouldn't lay the light directly on the glass, I'd probably clamp it.

[Lija]

oh you can clamp your basking lamp from a side. as long as there's gradient - hot spots and cold ones, doesn't matter from a side or top lamp is shining