Thanks for all the interesting discussion. the pinkies are really only a treat once every two weeks usually for the frog that takes them and roaches cover him otherwise. the dubias are definitely tricky to feed but i will try with the suggestions given. I used to feed crickets to them both but they need so many and crickets are just messy and bleh I just didn't like feeding them. ill try to get them snatching up worms but my one troublesome guy is just so stubborn