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    Just got my first PacMan. I had a long conversation with a friend of mine as he had kept one for several years. He never mentioned water conditioner though. I used plain tap water (filtered thru a Britta pitcher) to expand my coconut stuff (came in a brick). Is that gonna be bad for him/her. How the hell do you sex them too, other than flowers and soft talk. I showed him a pic of the enclosure it's a Zilla 5.5g tank. He said the tank was a fine size. The frog is only about 1.5" to 2" in size as well.

    So with all that said. What's a good water conditioner to get?

    Also he is just sitting there staring at me blinking and what looks to be yawning? How do you know they are hungry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    Just got my first PacMan. I had a long conversation with a friend of mine as he had kept one for several years. He never mentioned water conditioner though. I used plain tap water (filtered thru a Britta pitcher) to expand my coconut stuff (came in a brick). Is that gonna be bad for him/her. How the hell do you sex them too, other than flowers and soft talk. I showed him a pic of the enclosure it's a Zilla 5.5g tank. He said the tank was a fine size. The frog is only about 1.5" to 2" in size as well.

    So with all that said. What's a good water conditioner to get?
    I don't believe the filtration will remove all the chemicals from the water. You may need to swap it out for new once you get the water conditioner. Many will do, but some are better than others. Look for Prime or Repti-Safe.

    Congrats on becoming a Pacman owner and welcome to Frog Forum.
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    I assume you're talking about water dechlorinator. I own several Bettas and if that's what I need will water conditioner for fish work? And if you're wondering its not the "stress coat" that helps the natural slime coat for fish. It's just standard water conditioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    I assume you're talking about water dechlorinator. I own several Bettas and if that's what I need will water conditioner for fish work? And if you're wondering its not the "stress coat" that helps the natural slime coat for fish. It's just standard water conditioner.
    I use Prime for my reptiles and fish. Works great. Most water conditioners have deaminator and dechlorinator in them, but check to see it has both to make sure. Yeah, you need to change out the substrate asap. A day or so in it probably hasn't hurt him, but if you leave it he will tox out.

    Britta filters don't remove any chemicals. They only remove organic material like bacteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    I use Prime for my reptiles and fish. Works great. Most water conditioners have deaminator and dechlorinator in them, but check to see it has both to make sure. Yeah, you need to change out the substrate asap. A day or so in it probably hasn't hurt him, but if you leave it he will tox out.

    Britta filters don't remove any chemicals. They only remove organic material like bacteria.

    My Britta can pull the chlorine taste out of my water and at my house the water out of the tap tastes like it came out of a pool. The Britta removes any and all odors and tastes of chlorine. That's what an activated charcoal filter does. I will resoak my substrate in dechlorinated water tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    My Britta can pull the chlorine taste out of my water and at my house the water out of the tap tastes like it came out of a pool. The Britta removes any and all odors and tastes of chlorine. That's what an activated charcoal filter does. I will resoak my substrate in dechlorinated water tomorrow.
    Your water more than likely contains chlorimines as well which are difficult to remove with out a conditioner. Filtration doesn't remove them. Heavy metals are another issue. Fish water de-chlorinatores are fine, but ones that promote the slime coat are ideal as they do the same fro frogs.

    Sorry about the misspelling on my first response. My phone likes to correct me inccorrectly most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Your water more than likely contains chloriminesas well which are difficult to remove with out a onditioner. Filtration doesn't remove them. Heavy metals are another issue. Fish water de-chlorinatores are fine, but ones that promote the slime coat are ideal as they do the same fro frogs.

    Sorry about the misspelling on my first response. My phone likes to correct me inccorrectly most of the time.

    Yeah I have renamed my iPhone the grammar nazi. I just let it do what it does and deal with the consequences later lol.
    Last edited by NewFrogDude; November 24th, 2012 at 01:09 PM.

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    On a side note. I am having quite the issue with regulating heat in the tank. I literally have a thermo-controlled space heater aimed at my tank. And I have heard conflicting reports of using Sphagum Moss or not using it. I have about a 90% cocnut fiber 10% Spagum Moss mix that I am using at the moment. I broke the moss apart and mixed it really well with the fiber so there isn't huge chunks of it every where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    On a side note. I am having quite the issue with regulating heat in the tank. I literally have a thermo-controlled space heater aimed at my tank. And I have heard conflicting reports of using Sphagum Moss or not using it. I have about a 90% cocnut fiber 10% Spagum Moss mix that I am using at the moment. I broke the moss apart and mixed it really well with the fiber so there isn't huge chunks of it every where.
    If they eat any of the sphagnum moss it can cause an intestinal blockage(impaction) which can lead to death. It can be used if you feed the frog in a separate container or tong feed the frog.

    As for heating. Post a pic of the enclosure. What size enclosure are you using?

    You can place a UTH on the side of the tank and if necessary buy a Fluker's Clamp Lamp with a dimmer switch and use infrared heat bulbs no higher than 50 watts. What species of Pacman do you have?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    If they eat any of the sphagnum moss it can cause an intestinal blockage(impaction) which can lead to death. It can be used if you feed the frog in a separate container or tong feed the frog.

    As for heating. Post a pic of the enclosure. What size enclosure are you using?

    You can place a UTH on the side of the tank and if necessary buy a Fluker's Clamp Lamp with a dimmer switch and use infrared heat bulbs no higher than 50 watts. What species of Pacman do you have?

    It's a fantasy PacMan. The tank is a 5.5g I would post a pic but I have no idea how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    It's a fantasy PacMan. The tank is a 5.5g I would post a pic but I have no idea how.

    When you go to reply to a in a thread there is a little icon in the post option at the top of the text window that looks like a little picture in a frame. If you click on that it will allow you to upload a photo into a post from your computer, phone, or by URL. You can also upload photos to an album in your profile and post them into a post.


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    For heat I have a UTH on the side as well as a red bulb. That way I can really bump up the temp if it's getting really cold at night, or just turn one on for daytime.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    My Britta can pull the chlorine taste out of my water and at my house the water out of the tap tastes like it came out of a pool. The Britta removes any and all odors and tastes of chlorine. That's what an activated charcoal filter does. I will resoak my substrate in dechlorinated water tomorrow.
    Britta can remove straight chlorine from the water, but much chlorine used in water treatment reacts with organic matter, turning it into a type of trihalomethane. Britta can't remove THM's though. Humans mostly just care about the chlorine taste, so you're right there. I usually just don't go into the detail, but the chemical threat of chlorine-treated water to frogs isn't eliminated by the Britta

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    For heat I have a UTH on the side as well as a red bulb. That way I can really bump up the temp if it's getting really cold at night, or just turn one on for daytime.

    I have a Red Bulb (50W) on him now.. I am having a rough time stableizing heat vs humidity though. Light off, 80%HM Light on, 60%HM. Tricky little things I tell ya. I cleaned out his tank and re soaked all his substrate in the treated water. Just use Top Fin Water conditioner, and I threw a cricket in there for ghits and siggles, it died, a fast, horrible death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    I have a Red Bulb (50W) on him now.. I am having a rough time stableizing heat vs humidity though. Light off, 80%HM Light on, 60%HM. Tricky little things I tell ya. I cleaned out his tank and re soaked all his substrate in the treated water. Just use Top Fin Water conditioner, and I threw a cricket in there for ghits and siggles, it died, a fast, horrible death.
    If their substrate is appropriately moist, the ambient humidity can drop a little without it being a huge issue. Don't worry too much about it, just try to figure out a good system within a few days.
    You can try putting saran wrap over 2/3 of the screen on top. That should help keep the humidity up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    If their substrate is appropriately moist, the ambient humidity can drop a little without it being a huge issue. Don't worry too much about it, just try to figure out a good system within a few days.
    You can try putting saran wrap over 2/3 of the screen on top. That should help keep the humidity up.

    Yeah, I got a sticky mat heater on the side of his tank now and I don't have "Saran Wrap" but the PetCo bag is doing nicely on top of the tank. Gonna run and grab some of that "Press N' Seal" stuff tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    Yeah, I got a sticky mat heater on the side of his tank now and I don't have "Saran Wrap" but the PetCo bag is doing nicely on top of the tank. Gonna run and grab some of that "Press N' Seal" stuff tomorrow.
    lol Pretty much the same thing. Come to think of it my roommate from up north didn't know what Saran wrap was either. I think it might just be a southern brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    lol Pretty much the same thing. Come to think of it my roommate from up north didn't know what Saran wrap was either. I think it might just be a southern brand.
    lol, culture clash!

    So here is a question for you. My frog is a little smaller than a silver dollar, when feeding how many crickets should I feed him/her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    lol, culture clash!

    So here is a question for you. My frog is a little smaller than a silver dollar, when feeding how many crickets should I feed him/her?
    You can offer him 5 to 7 small crickets and if he appears to still be hungry offer 1 or 2 more. You can offer food daily since this is a crutial growth stage in the frog's life. You could offer less if the crickets are 3/4" then just offer 4 or 5 and he should be good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    You can offer him 5 to 7 small crickets and if he appears to still be hungry offer 1 or 2 more. You can offer food daily since this is a crutial growth stage in the frog's life. You could offer less if the crickets are 3/4" then just offer 4 or 5 and he should be good.
    Yeah, I got some large crickets. My only real issue is heating. I live in Washington and the fall/winter now is particularly chilly this year. Getting his tank to 80F is proving to be a challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewFrogDude View Post
    Yeah, I got some large crickets. My only real issue is heating. I live in Washington and the fall/winter now is particularly chilly this year. Getting his tank to 80F is proving to be a challenge.
    You can get a space heater to provide extra heat for the room your frog is in.


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