malaysian horned frog!

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...WC nasuta frogs were exposed to all kinds of poisonous plants and chemicals, they are shipped together but have been collected from different places and if a frog from one location is adapted to one type of poison, a frog from different location is not and if house together one frog will tox another one out, secondary bacterial infection will kick in. He is saying if housed together WC nasutas will tox each other out until one will be left perfectly healthy, the bigger the tank the slower the process is going to be and that is what was happening with mine.

well, it would of course explain what was happening in here, BUT every single breeder/keeper I talked to, say the same- they were keeping their nasutas in groups and they seemed to be happy and lived long term. They explain situation by stress and the fact that stressed out nasutas are rubbing their horns thus infection. That would explain the situation too as well as it was treated well with antibiotics, but why then one frog is perfectly healthy, while others are not, they lived in exact same conditions.

I think they both are right, most likely WC frogs are in fact toxing each other out and are susceptible to stress more then any other frog I ever heard about.

what I'm going to do now is to test theory of toxing out, the remaining frogs will be housed separately for 3-4 month and if both healthy, happy and well I'm get them together again. if theory is true when is there a period of time a frog are not toxic anymore, logically thinking if they secret whatever they were exposed to before in time toxins should be out.

my gut feeling says, if you get WC nasuta, treat it as a sick right away, quarantine it in a tall hospital set up with fully covered all 4 sides of enclosure provide hides, etc, do full anti parasitic treatment and watch for any signs of stress. Tall set up is needed because they can jump really high, mine jumped out of 18" high enclosure easily.

Interesting theory Lija! Question for you is why 3-4 months isolation? Did Vet suggested that? I'm asking because obviously these frogs are very social, so imagine the quarantine period should be as long as needed and not any more. No idea how long frog detox takes; but organisms I know of (fish, invertebrates) detox in around 30 days. Did try to find out how long does it take for wild Poison Dart Frogs to loose toxicity once removed from wild insect diet; but came out empty handed. Good luck .

[Lija]

3-4 months isolation is my idea, i want to exclude possibility of any possible toxins. as it looks right now and based of what breeders are saying that these frogs are social but nobody noted that kept alone would affect them negatively in any way. I didn't know darts and toxicity, i really need to do over to darts section. i have to find this out
as well both are on panacur right now that i should have done LONG ago. one of those you live you learn.