Need some help....Impaction

[Hoppity100]

Thanks for explaining, ...any parts of a shell I question though. I mean, I can't picture one being digested with any ease. Gosh, it must hurt to an extent being passed. Next time I swallow an eggplant or avocado whole, I'll let you know how I'm doing. Before I do that, I'll write first. I'm looking out for frogs, not telling anyone what to do, but to reconsider feeding these roaches. Roaches are normally so hard the only way to kill them is with a hammer,.. that's if you can catch them first. I ran over a roach once with my car and that thing kept crawling! I think they are the last bugs to survive a nuclear tragedy. They also resemble peanuts, actually too much. I still eat peanuts, but now that I think about it, a roach with salt would be too easy to mistake for a peanut. Gotta sign off and visit the pet store..I need a new gravel vac for my fish tank. Later...

[MatthewM1]

Frogs digestive tracks have adapted and evolved over thousands of years to digest whole prey, and ours have not. a human eating a whole avocado is nothing like a frog eating a whole roach. And from my understanding dubia exoskeletons are softer than many other species of roach

[Hoppity100]

Could be, yes frogs in the wild eat all sorts of insects. Its the impaction I've been concerned about and other people who agree about shell, chitin, boney parts from large crickets, too. Read about consequences of impaction and waiting around to see if frog poos. I think the owners are waiting around to see if frog lives.

[Hoppity100]

I hope dubia skeletons are softer, apparently they are popular to feed. What about digesting the roach whole including chitin? That stuff is hard like our fingernails, ....I never would have thought this was so risky, until I read about people watching their frogs deal with an "impaction." Now I wonder if same people know about constipation vs impaction vs bowel obstruction vs proplapse vs perforation vs infection vs gangrene? Wanted to mention something this important. People have found these roaches are easy to maintain and breed, but, that's beside the point.

[DeeDub]

I hope dubia skeletons are softer, apparently they are popular to feed. What about digesting the roach whole including chitin? That stuff is hard like our fingernails, ....I never would have thought this was so risky, until I read about people watching their frogs deal with an "impaction." Now I wonder if same people know about constipation vs impaction vs bowel obstruction vs proplapse vs perforation vs infection vs gangrene? Wanted to mention something this important. People have found these roaches are easy to maintain and breed, but, that's beside the point.

Hey, on a serious note.

I can see you might actually be concerned about this. I feed primarily dubia roaches and earth worms to my Pyxies and Ornate. This impaction I have come to realize probably wasn't even an impaction. It was constipation. That is a good point.

The only parts that don't digest that I regularly identify in feces is the one peice of large chitin that protects the head. Once in a while I will see a leg, or a head, but other than that it all turns into frog turd.

[Hoppity100]

Well, softer is better. What happens to the remains of this shell while in intestines? Yep, I'm making sure I have fiber powder here.

[DeeDub]

Well, softer is better. What happens to the remains of this shell while in intestines? Yep, I'm making sure I have fiber powder here.

Any fiber powder you use will be incompatible with the digestive tract and further complicate any digestive issues. A frog's digestive system is not made to break down vegetable matter i.e. spagetti<<<<<< Teaching

[Hoppity100]

Oh, forgot to mention how thin a bowel wall is and if its made thinner by repeated impactions then frog will die from that. He will have perforation, peritonitis, then death.

[DeeDub]

Thanks for explaining, ...any parts of a shell I question though. I mean, I can't picture one being digested with any ease. Gosh, it must hurt to an extent being passed. Next time I swallow an eggplant or avocado whole, I'll let you know how I'm doing. Before I do that, I'll write first. I'm looking out for frogs, not telling anyone what to do, but to reconsider feeding these roaches. Roaches are normally so hard the only way to kill them is with a hammer,.. that's if you can catch them first. I ran over a roach once with my car and that thing kept crawling! I think they are the last bugs to survive a nuclear tragedy. They also resemble peanuts, actually too much. I still eat peanuts, but now that I think about it, a roach with salt would be too easy to mistake for a peanut. Gotta sign off and visit the pet store..I need a new gravel vac for my fish tank. Later...

The whole idea of roaches or crickets being detrimental is moronic. Why are we even having this debate? These frogs are not fragile little creatures. They are super hearty and can deal with alot. That doesn't mean we test thier limits. I am all for babying them. I enjoy doing it. All of your "imagine me swallowing a water mellon, eggplant, corn cob" analogies have nothing to do with these frogs. Read what someone else is telling you. Maybe you will learn something. They are designed to eat prey that is large; they are designed to eat chitinous insects; they don't eat spagetti or prunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW, who the h e l l kills roaches with a hammer? Have you ever seen a roach you idiot?

Hoppity, you are not qualified to give anyone advice. That is clearly evident in almost everything you post on any thread on this forum. You say you want to help other people. Stop giving subjective, nonobjective, illogical advice. I can't beleive the c r a p that I read on this forum that you have posted (that goes for the most part unanswered by those in the know). Your "Help" is one of the most detrimental things a new owner or potential owner could read. I don't know if you intentionally post things to be controversial (trolling) or are really just not very smart.

Bad husbandry practices getting propagated by blow hard, psuedo expert, internet cowboys like you are the biggest health risk to our captive frogs. Stop passing your B.S. conjecture to others. Why haven't the Mods taught this guy/girl some sense? Isn't that your role here? I know we need to be civil, cooperative, supportive, nice etc. but to what extent? If we are going to pick our battles to remain civil, then lets start with this issue. STOP LETTING PEOPLE GIVE OUT RETARDED ADVICE!!! You can't limit what people can say, just don't let them go on and on without a reply from you. PLEASE KEEP US ON TRACK! CORRECT POOR HUSBANDRY ADVICE GIVEN OUT BY OTHERS! I know that Husbandry practices vary, and that there will be some opinion related practices, but for the most part a little reminding nudge (slap) from the Mods in the right direction will solve most issues.

Now I digress....give me my punishment for injecting a little common sense into this 'debate' above...lol Or don't and realize that a little tough love can go a long way to reaching much needed clarity in a debate oriented, opinion riddled social media site such as this.