Need some help....Impaction

[GrifTheGreat]

Unless your frog somehow swallowed a large chunk of gravel, whatever it is WILL pass. These frogs have amazing digestive systems. Even small gravel can pass easily, though it's still not good. I wouldn't worry at all as long as the frog is at the proper temperature and has access to water.
As far as the bulge, if you look at frog anatomy you will see that the stomach is on the righ.

This is true. The stomach is on the right, but when they are due for a bowel movement the right side will bulge where the instestine is near the righy side of the belly

[DVirginiana]

While your frog is in the bath, you can gently touch the area just above the vent and push up/forward (GENTLY!). The frog will probably try to resist moving forward, and the muscle movements are very similar to those they use when going to the bathroom. A lot of times this will get them started. I've had this work with Trevor multiple times when I give her a preventative bath (she has a serious tendency to get impacted, so I give her unmedicated warm soaks about once a week if I feel lumps to keep things from reaching a crisis point). Don't know how much it'll help with more severe impaction, but it won't hurt anything.

[DeeDub]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

[DVirginiana]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

Sometimes it takes them awhile to fully pass a bad impaction. Even afterward, they can still act a little off for a few days depending on how bad it was.

I was actually wondering how you got 100 degree water unless you boiled it or used the microwave lol. I think there is a rule about how often you can do honey soaks? Grif will probably be able to tell you more about that. No limit that I'm aware of with the pedialyte though.

[Maharg]

Sometimes it takes them awhile to fully pass a bad impaction. Even afterward, they can still act a little off for a few days depending on how bad it was.

I was actually wondering how you got 100 degree water unless you boiled it or used the microwave lol. I think there is a rule about how often you can do honey soaks? Grif will probably be able to tell you more about that. No limit that I'm aware of with the pedialyte though.

We are talking fahrenheit lol. If I was talking celsius id be one sick puppy. Or really a fan of frog legs. Lol.

[Pluke]

DeeDub, not sure if you have one.. but I use a temp gun to test the temperature of my water. Just shoot the surface of the water and it'll give you a pretty good idea.

[Maharg]

DeeDub, not sure if you have one.. but I use a temp gun to test the temperature of my water. Just shoot the surface of the water and it'll give you a pretty good idea.

That's exactly what I use. The laser gun. Or light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation gun for all the nerds out there.
Anyways, not to beat a dead horse but that's another reason I feel 90 degree water is safe. I used to keep the water dish below the heat lamp like many people recommend for humidity. (I don't any more) The water was frequently in the 90 range and never posed a problem.

[DeeDub]

DeeDub, not sure if you have one.. but I use a temp gun to test the temperature of my water. Just shoot the surface of the water and it'll give you a pretty good idea.

I do have one. Great idea, im dumber than **** sometimes...lol. So 80ish for the temps for soaking?

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

There is some room for error on the feeling with your hand. If it feels warm then just cool it to the point of barely warm.

You can do the honey bath two days in a row. I've never seen any ill effects from even 3 baths this way so you can repeat it up to three times if necessary.

[Hoppity100]

Gee, pushing and adding frog more pain does not sound good either. Stop feeding roaches...switch to worms. Then frog won't have to have a near death painful experience! AKA bowel obstruction

[GrifTheGreat]

Gee, pushing and adding frog more pain does not sound good either. Stop feeding roaches...switch to worms. Then frog won't have to have a near death painful experience! AKA bowel obstruction

Lol! Hoppity, You can't place fiber powder on their food, but Fluker's Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost) for dehydrated and malnourished reptiles and amphibians can be used to assist in keeping the frog regular with it's bowel movements. This emergency supplement contains alot of fiber and thus can provide what is needed to help the frog, but like all supplements can be overdosed on so it is best to only use it occasionally or only in an emergency.

There is no need to keep posting negative comments. Deedub has done nothing wrong and is not causing his frog pain. When they are impacted to the point in which it will cause death the frog will swell up before the intestines burst. It's time to leave it be and he has already stated that he is going to switch to worms.

Let it be. Thank you.

[Pluke]

I thought it was OK to feed dubias? That big brown I got back LOVES them.. finally, I have a frog that will chow them down without question. Of course, she hasn't ate any adult roaches, but the big ones before adult stage. Should I refrain? She only gets like 1 or 2 a feeding with a couple big nightcrawlers and pacman food.. this girl will eat as much as I give her, it's nice not having a picky eater for once, lol.

[GrifTheGreat]

I thought it was OK to feed dubias? That big brown I got back LOVES them.. finally, I have a frog that will chow them down without question. Of course, she hasn't ate any adult roaches, but the big ones before adult stage. Should I refrain? She only gets like 1 or 2 a feeding with a couple big nightcrawlers and pacman food.. this girl will eat as much as I give her, it's nice not having a picky eater for once, lol.

Its ok, but sometimes the adult roaches kind of constipate the frog.

[Hoppity100]

Please don't feed roaches. Think of the size of the frog's intestines. What are the digestive enzymes a frog has?

[Hoppity100]

You don't see my point: why wait until the frog has swelled up and is in pain in the first place? It does not make sense to me to feed roaches, an impaction from insects could be prevented. I think of my frogs alot and will never give them roaches. If I am negative it is because this could have been prevented, same as a frog death. I don't think its nice to cause a frog to be impacted then notice it later after frog has been hurting. I know impactions then bowel obstruction do not feel good. I know there is not a small enough NG tube out there or a vet to do surgery. I am thankful he switched to worms, mine basically get worms with small crickets as an occasional treat. I even wonder about those! Thanks for writing.

[DVirginiana]

You don't see my point: why wait until the frog has swelled up and is in pain in the first place? It does not make sense to me to feed roaches, an impaction from insects could be prevented. I think of my frogs alot and will never give them roaches. If I am negative it is because this could have been prevented, same as a frog death. I don't think its nice to cause a frog to be impacted then notice it later after frog has been hurting. I know impactions then bowel obstruction do not feel good. I know there is not a small enough NG tube out there or a vet to do surgery. I am thankful he switched to worms, mine basically get worms with small crickets as an occasional treat. I even wonder about those! Thanks for writing.

Chill out. This isn't a case of anyone being stupid or mistreating their pet. Dubia roaches are some of the most common feeders people use for pacs. Some frogs are just more sensitive to what is in their diet than others, with nightcrawlers being the best option for frogs prone to impaction. DeeDub has been pretty much going by the book; his frog just had a problem. Most of them face impaction at some point, and it's not necessarily anything the owner did. It's just a very common problem in pacs.

I have the same frogs and mine adapted to tank temp fine. I would NEVER make their temp over 80 degrees. Are you trying to cook them? Mine arrived at the store in lower temp, they have the ability to adapt. Store does not keep them at 80 degrees either.

80-85 degrees is ideal for daytime temps. Read the forum caresheet. Petstores consistently under-heat and under-mist their tropical reptiles.

Please don't feed roaches. Think of the size of the frog's intestines. What are the digestive enzymes a frog has?

It's not the size of the frog's intestines, it's the chitin content of the prey. Chitin does not digest. Think about it; when was the last time your frog passed an entire cricket? You typically see the chitinous parts of prey broken up in the poo. If a frog gets too much of this, it doesn't matter if it is from a large roach or several small roaches at once, that is what causes the problem. If it fits in the space between the eyes, that's a good rule of thumb for appropriately sized prey.

[Hoppity100]

Then why feed them something that contains chitin? I'm sticking with worms, no roaches here. I'm trying to help any frog who has to go thru needless impaction. No, my frogs got small young crickets. Does this particular roach have a shell? How big is it? If wider than space between frog eyes and with shell, I view it as not a good idea regardless of who owns the frog. If impaction is that common and they're that sensitive, it would be better to feed them something else. Or, gee, remove shell from roach. This would be like me swallowing a whole ear of corn, with the husk. I'd get impacted then have a bowel obstruction, then die. Can't imagine the pain. No one can determine which frog is sensitive, that's an easy answer to excuse feeding a roach. Sorry, but I don't get the roach idea at all. Thanks for writing though.

[Hoppity100]

I feel bad for your frog, he is suffering from eating a roach. Roaches with any shell are TOO BIG for getting thru intestines. Why can't anyone figure this out?