Need some help....Impaction

[Maharg]

I dont want to go into a heated debate here again but ill also add that a frog living in a 85 degree tank placed in 90 degree or even 95 degree water is only small deferential. Its a couple degrees celcius. Its nothing. In fact, any time you place a frog in a water dish without specifically measuring the temp first you are probably subjecting it to a 10 degree change in farrenheit anyway. Thats why we canadians use celcius lol. Farrenheit seems so much more drastic than it really is.

Edit: And just to clarify, I in no way condone reckless frog care. My decisions are based on sound logic. I've put this logic into practice before many many times with no I'll effects. And as I said I can guarantee frogs encounter water temperatures in excess of 90 degrees on a daily basis in the wild. It's the nature of the tropics. I've been in Thailand where the temperature has been at high as 117 degrees. It happens. If a frog is uncomfortable, it will jump out. That being said, I obviously don't recommend warm baths nearly that high. But 90 is safe.

[Herpguy]

Unless your frog somehow swallowed a large chunk of gravel, whatever it is WILL pass. These frogs have amazing digestive systems. Even small gravel can pass easily, though it's still not good. I wouldn't worry at all as long as the frog is at the proper temperature and has access to water.
As far as the bulge, if you look at frog anatomy you will see that the stomach is on the righ.

[GrifTheGreat]

Unless your frog somehow swallowed a large chunk of gravel, whatever it is WILL pass. These frogs have amazing digestive systems. Even small gravel can pass easily, though it's still not good. I wouldn't worry at all as long as the frog is at the proper temperature and has access to water.
As far as the bulge, if you look at frog anatomy you will see that the stomach is on the righ.

This is true. The stomach is on the right, but when they are due for a bowel movement the right side will bulge where the instestine is near the righy side of the belly

[DVirginiana]

While your frog is in the bath, you can gently touch the area just above the vent and push up/forward (GENTLY!). The frog will probably try to resist moving forward, and the muscle movements are very similar to those they use when going to the bathroom. A lot of times this will get them started. I've had this work with Trevor multiple times when I give her a preventative bath (she has a serious tendency to get impacted, so I give her unmedicated warm soaks about once a week if I feel lumps to keep things from reaching a crisis point). Don't know how much it'll help with more severe impaction, but it won't hurt anything.

[DeeDub]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

[DVirginiana]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

Sometimes it takes them awhile to fully pass a bad impaction. Even afterward, they can still act a little off for a few days depending on how bad it was.

I was actually wondering how you got 100 degree water unless you boiled it or used the microwave lol. I think there is a rule about how often you can do honey soaks? Grif will probably be able to tell you more about that. No limit that I'm aware of with the pedialyte though.

[Maharg]

Sometimes it takes them awhile to fully pass a bad impaction. Even afterward, they can still act a little off for a few days depending on how bad it was.

I was actually wondering how you got 100 degree water unless you boiled it or used the microwave lol. I think there is a rule about how often you can do honey soaks? Grif will probably be able to tell you more about that. No limit that I'm aware of with the pedialyte though.

We are talking fahrenheit lol. If I was talking celsius id be one sick puppy. Or really a fan of frog legs. Lol.

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks for all the replies...lol.

I estimated 100 degrees based on my body temp being roughly 98ish. It felt warm to me so I figured 100 ish....I see the flaw, my hands might be cooler than 98. Either way, the "100" degree water I used was slowly mixed with cooler water the frog was soaking in for the exact reason you and I stated. I see where your concern lies and you are right, shouldn't shock their system. I made sure I didn't. She passed a little more poo in her water dish while I was gone. I'll honey soak her again in a couple hours. I did the massage, but didn't dare push too hard and I'm pretty sure the big bump on the right side is the roach. It doesn't feel rounded like the ones on the left.

There is some room for error on the feeling with your hand. If it feels warm then just cool it to the point of barely warm.

You can do the honey bath two days in a row. I've never seen any ill effects from even 3 baths this way so you can repeat it up to three times if necessary.

[Hoppity100]

Gee, pushing and adding frog more pain does not sound good either. Stop feeding roaches...switch to worms. Then frog won't have to have a near death painful experience! AKA bowel obstruction

[GrifTheGreat]

Gee, pushing and adding frog more pain does not sound good either. Stop feeding roaches...switch to worms. Then frog won't have to have a near death painful experience! AKA bowel obstruction

Lol! Hoppity, You can't place fiber powder on their food, but Fluker's Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost) for dehydrated and malnourished reptiles and amphibians can be used to assist in keeping the frog regular with it's bowel movements. This emergency supplement contains alot of fiber and thus can provide what is needed to help the frog, but like all supplements can be overdosed on so it is best to only use it occasionally or only in an emergency.

There is no need to keep posting negative comments. Deedub has done nothing wrong and is not causing his frog pain. When they are impacted to the point in which it will cause death the frog will swell up before the intestines burst. It's time to leave it be and he has already stated that he is going to switch to worms.

Let it be. Thank you.

[Pluke]

I thought it was OK to feed dubias? That big brown I got back LOVES them.. finally, I have a frog that will chow them down without question. Of course, she hasn't ate any adult roaches, but the big ones before adult stage. Should I refrain? She only gets like 1 or 2 a feeding with a couple big nightcrawlers and pacman food.. this girl will eat as much as I give her, it's nice not having a picky eater for once, lol.

[Hoppity100]

You don't see my point: why wait until the frog has swelled up and is in pain in the first place? It does not make sense to me to feed roaches, an impaction from insects could be prevented. I think of my frogs alot and will never give them roaches. If I am negative it is because this could have been prevented, same as a frog death. I don't think its nice to cause a frog to be impacted then notice it later after frog has been hurting. I know impactions then bowel obstruction do not feel good. I know there is not a small enough NG tube out there or a vet to do surgery. I am thankful he switched to worms, mine basically get worms with small crickets as an occasional treat. I even wonder about those! Thanks for writing.

[Hoppity100]

I feel bad for your frog, he is suffering from eating a roach. Roaches with any shell are TOO BIG for getting thru intestines. Why can't anyone figure this out?

[GrifTheGreat]

I dont want to go into a heated debate here again but ill also add that a frog living in a 85 degree tank placed in 90 degree or even 95 degree water is only small deferential. Its a couple degrees celcius. Its nothing. In fact, any time you place a frog in a water dish without specifically measuring the temp first you are probably subjecting it to a 10 degree change in farrenheit anyway. Thats why we canadians use celcius lol. Farrenheit seems so much more drastic than it really is.

Edit: And just to clarify, I in no way condone reckless frog care. My decisions are based on sound logic. I've put this logic into practice before many many times with no I'll effects. And as I said I can guarantee frogs encounter water temperatures in excess of 90 degrees on a daily basis in the wild. It's the nature of the tropics. I've been in Thailand where the temperature has been at high as 117 degrees. It happens. If a frog is uncomfortable, it will jump out. That being said, I obviously don't recommend warm baths nearly that high. But 90 is safe.

There is no argument. These frogs burrow to escape heat. Therefore the temp that their body is exposed to is less than 80° to 85°. Nowhere near 90°. They do not seek water for warmth and thus a sudden exposure to high temp water can shock the frog and possibly cause death. 100° water is obsurd and if i were you would never suggest that its acceptable for another member to do so.

They thermoregulate by burrowing and cooling off in water. Check the water temp within your enclosure. Even to the touch it is cool. That is with 80° to 85°air temps. Even the substrate will be in the 70°s. They NEVER enter 90° to 100° water. Not even 85° water because not only does the water not reach these temps it may even be much less due to the fact that these frogs are nocturnal and thus come out when the heat of the day has passed. This treatment is to be followed as i have advised. There is absolutely no need for such high water temps even for tropical frogs.

[Maharg]

There is no argument. These frogs burrow to escape heat. Therefore the temp that their body is exposed to is less than 80° to 85°. Nowhere near 90°. They do not seek water for warmth and thus a sudden exposure to high temp water can shock the frog and possibly cause death. 100° water is obsurd and if i were you would never suggest that its acceptable for another member to do so.

They thermoregulate by burrowing and cooling off in water. Check the water temp within your enclosure. Even to the touch it is cool. That is with 80° to 85°air temps. Even the substrate will be in the 70°s. They NEVER enter 90° to 100° water. Not even 85° water because not only does the water not reach these temps it may even be much less due to the fact that these frogs are nocturnal and thus come out when the heat of the day has passed. This treatment is to be followed as i have advised. There is absolutely no need for such high water temps even for tropical frogs.

Well how about this. Someone will berate and condescend me for feeding my toad a crayfish or giving my frogs warm baths. Someone will do the same to mike, a proven breeder for keeping his pixies on woodchips. I'll so the same to someone who recommends distilled water for their frogs. But all our frogs are still alive and thriving.
So maybe our frogs are just laughing at us while they enjoy a life of ultra luxury that we wouldn't even treat ourselves to because we act like they are 100 times more sensitive then humans when meanwhile they live in conditions 100 times harsher than us.

[DVirginiana]

So maybe out frogs are just laughing at us while they enjoy a life of ultra luxury that we wouldn't even treat ourselves to because we act like they are 100 times more sensitive then humans when meanwhile they live in conditions 100 times harsher than us.

They also have hundreds and hundreds of babies every year because so many of them will die :P

Just because some people haven't had a problem with something doesn't mean it's a great idea for everyone. Especially if you are talking to someone who doesn't necessarily have a lot of experience with reptiles/amphibians. A first-time owner wouldn't know all the little things to avoid potential problems and probably wouldn't catch an issue until it's too late. A long-term breeder would. There's a reason most people don't recommend feeding crayfish or putting 100 degree water on your frog: They might live through it, but there's also a chance it could harm them. Why take a risk when just a little more time or effort could avoid it?

[GrifTheGreat]

Well how about this. Someone will berate and condescend me for feeding my toad a crayfish or giving my frogs warm baths. Someone will do the same to mike, a proven breeder for keeping his pixies on woodchips. I'll so the same to someone who recommends distilled water for their frogs. But all our frogs are still alive and thriving.
So maybe our frogs are just laughing at us while they enjoy a life of ultra luxury that we wouldn't even treat ourselves to because we act like they are 100 times more sensitive then humans when meanwhile they live in conditions 100 times harsher than us.

Oh i have no doubt that they're living the life of luxury. I spoil mine completely. They're all fat and never have to hunt for their food, but could if necessary. Anyway back to the bath right

[Hoppity100]

I don't think feeding roaches is obviously a good idea since they must have a shell. Sprinkle fiber powder on their food, don't feed roaches. Then frog would not have to suffer with ANY impaction or bowel obstruction. I don't see good judgement here. Can't help but get my 2 cents worth about something that could have been prevented.

[Hoppity100]

I have the same frogs and mine adapted to tank temp fine. I would NEVER make their temp over 80 degrees. Are you trying to cook them? Mine arrived at the store in lower temp, they have the ability to adapt. Store does not keep them at 80 degrees either.