Need some help....Impaction

[ejh805]

Just got done with the first soak. She passed a little bit of turd, but not really worth mentioning. She is trying though. I think she will pass it with this second soak. I just put the warm water in her dish and put her back in her cage. Ill repeat tonight.

Best of luck!
Don't forget to try the massage technique that Grif posted. I've done something similar before, and within a minute or so my frog was passing something massive.

[Maharg]

I asked how warm the water was because from experience I have found this critical. I went into further detail in another post, I will try to link it later but data on my phone is running low.
Somewhat briefly, I believe frogs naturally regulate their bowels in nature by hopping into warm puddles since obviously nobody is there to do it for them. small puddles they would jump into in nature (small cause they could drown in large bodies of water) move in temperature almost exactly on time with the air temperature. As we all know water equalizes to the same temperature as air. Warm tropical days are easily 90+ degrees and so is the water. I spent two weeks in Costa Rica last year and every day was above 100. A 95 degree bath isn't dangerous and it's not even all that much warmer than a swimming pool. Bare in mind most tanks are kept at 80 to 85 degrees during the day anyway.
With my frogs a "lukewarm" 85 degree bath has proved pointless. I make the water quite warm and they always poop almost instantly. They can easily hop out if they choose, but they always end up staying in for hours. Til the water drops back down to normal tank temperature.
Don't be afraid to make a 95 degree bath. It's always proved successful for me.

[DeeDub]

Thanks. I started Luke warm and pretty shallow. I slowly added warmer water (100ish) until the waterline was mid body. I'm gu shy with hot water and frogs. When I was a kid I was cleaning a water dish and stuck a little grass frog in the sink where the water was running. Where it was just warm when I felt it, taking the frog from its 75-80 degree water straight into the warmer water shocked his system so bad that he died a few minutes later (I know, the water was chlorinated, shouldn't put the frog in the sink...etc, gimme a break, I was 10 or 11)

[GrifTheGreat]

I asked how warm the water was because from experience I have found this critical. I went into further detail in another post, I will try to link it later but data on my phone is running low.
Somewhat briefly, I believe frogs naturally regulate their bowels in nature by hopping into warm puddles since obviously nobody is there to do it for them. small puddles they would jump into in nature (small cause they could drown in large bodies of water) move in temperature almost exactly on time with the air temperature. As we all know water equalizes to the same temperature as air. Warm tropical days are easily 90+ degrees and so is the water. I spent two weeks in Costa Rica last year and every day was above 100. A 95 degree bath isn't dangerous and it's not even all that much warmer than a swimming pool. Bare in mind most tanks are kept at 80 to 85 degrees during the day anyway.
With my frogs a "lukewarm" 85 degree bath has proved pointless. I make the water quite warm and they always poop almost instantly. They can easily hop out if they choose, but they always end up staying in for hours. Til the water drops back down to normal tank temperature.
Don't be afraid to make a 95 degree bath. It's always proved successful for me.

Recommended temp is 78° to 80° and yes a sudden rise in their body temp is very bad for them. Their body doesnt work
instantly in the wild and puddle temp is most likely near 80° not 100° or even 90°. A gradule temp change is what is best which is partially the reason for two soaks involved in the first place. Do not expose the frog to those high water temps. What would posses you to place the frog in 100° water? Are you trying to cause it to go into shock? Water is ressistant to heat and natural water sources even in the sun seldom reach high temps such as 85° to 90 otherwise they would be near useless for animals to cool off in.

Luke warm or tepid water is only around 75° to 78°. It should feel warm to the touch and cool slightly. Use better judgement before you harm the frog. They never seek high temps like that so wouldnt be exposed to any water source that is that warm.

[Maharg]

Temperature is measured in the shade. Also, if you are keeping your tank at 80 to 85 as most do, replacing the water with 78 degree water is giving them a relatively cold bath.

Also, frogs dig to cool off. Water for hydration and performing bowel movements.

[Maharg]

I dont want to go into a heated debate here again but ill also add that a frog living in a 85 degree tank placed in 90 degree or even 95 degree water is only small deferential. Its a couple degrees celcius. Its nothing. In fact, any time you place a frog in a water dish without specifically measuring the temp first you are probably subjecting it to a 10 degree change in farrenheit anyway. Thats why we canadians use celcius lol. Farrenheit seems so much more drastic than it really is.

Edit: And just to clarify, I in no way condone reckless frog care. My decisions are based on sound logic. I've put this logic into practice before many many times with no I'll effects. And as I said I can guarantee frogs encounter water temperatures in excess of 90 degrees on a daily basis in the wild. It's the nature of the tropics. I've been in Thailand where the temperature has been at high as 117 degrees. It happens. If a frog is uncomfortable, it will jump out. That being said, I obviously don't recommend warm baths nearly that high. But 90 is safe.

[Herpguy]

Unless your frog somehow swallowed a large chunk of gravel, whatever it is WILL pass. These frogs have amazing digestive systems. Even small gravel can pass easily, though it's still not good. I wouldn't worry at all as long as the frog is at the proper temperature and has access to water.
As far as the bulge, if you look at frog anatomy you will see that the stomach is on the righ.

[GrifTheGreat]

Unless your frog somehow swallowed a large chunk of gravel, whatever it is WILL pass. These frogs have amazing digestive systems. Even small gravel can pass easily, though it's still not good. I wouldn't worry at all as long as the frog is at the proper temperature and has access to water.
As far as the bulge, if you look at frog anatomy you will see that the stomach is on the righ.

This is true. The stomach is on the right, but when they are due for a bowel movement the right side will bulge where the instestine is near the righy side of the belly

[GrifTheGreat]

I dont want to go into a heated debate here again but ill also add that a frog living in a 85 degree tank placed in 90 degree or even 95 degree water is only small deferential. Its a couple degrees celcius. Its nothing. In fact, any time you place a frog in a water dish without specifically measuring the temp first you are probably subjecting it to a 10 degree change in farrenheit anyway. Thats why we canadians use celcius lol. Farrenheit seems so much more drastic than it really is.

Edit: And just to clarify, I in no way condone reckless frog care. My decisions are based on sound logic. I've put this logic into practice before many many times with no I'll effects. And as I said I can guarantee frogs encounter water temperatures in excess of 90 degrees on a daily basis in the wild. It's the nature of the tropics. I've been in Thailand where the temperature has been at high as 117 degrees. It happens. If a frog is uncomfortable, it will jump out. That being said, I obviously don't recommend warm baths nearly that high. But 90 is safe.

There is no argument. These frogs burrow to escape heat. Therefore the temp that their body is exposed to is less than 80° to 85°. Nowhere near 90°. They do not seek water for warmth and thus a sudden exposure to high temp water can shock the frog and possibly cause death. 100° water is obsurd and if i were you would never suggest that its acceptable for another member to do so.

They thermoregulate by burrowing and cooling off in water. Check the water temp within your enclosure. Even to the touch it is cool. That is with 80° to 85°air temps. Even the substrate will be in the 70°s. They NEVER enter 90° to 100° water. Not even 85° water because not only does the water not reach these temps it may even be much less due to the fact that these frogs are nocturnal and thus come out when the heat of the day has passed. This treatment is to be followed as i have advised. There is absolutely no need for such high water temps even for tropical frogs.

[Maharg]

There is no argument. These frogs burrow to escape heat. Therefore the temp that their body is exposed to is less than 80° to 85°. Nowhere near 90°. They do not seek water for warmth and thus a sudden exposure to high temp water can shock the frog and possibly cause death. 100° water is obsurd and if i were you would never suggest that its acceptable for another member to do so.

They thermoregulate by burrowing and cooling off in water. Check the water temp within your enclosure. Even to the touch it is cool. That is with 80° to 85°air temps. Even the substrate will be in the 70°s. They NEVER enter 90° to 100° water. Not even 85° water because not only does the water not reach these temps it may even be much less due to the fact that these frogs are nocturnal and thus come out when the heat of the day has passed. This treatment is to be followed as i have advised. There is absolutely no need for such high water temps even for tropical frogs.

Well how about this. Someone will berate and condescend me for feeding my toad a crayfish or giving my frogs warm baths. Someone will do the same to mike, a proven breeder for keeping his pixies on woodchips. I'll so the same to someone who recommends distilled water for their frogs. But all our frogs are still alive and thriving.
So maybe our frogs are just laughing at us while they enjoy a life of ultra luxury that we wouldn't even treat ourselves to because we act like they are 100 times more sensitive then humans when meanwhile they live in conditions 100 times harsher than us.

[Hoppity100]

I have the same frogs and mine adapted to tank temp fine. I would NEVER make their temp over 80 degrees. Are you trying to cook them? Mine arrived at the store in lower temp, they have the ability to adapt. Store does not keep them at 80 degrees either.