Oh, thank you for the information, I am in Toledo and I never knew there were reptile shows. Like you said, the frog might not be in great condition from one of those stores. A month ago I was in petsmart looking at FB's (before I bought mine). I found 3 really dead flat decayed frogs. I showed them to the employee and this person was not surprised at all and said sometimes this happens. Well, it probably does. What this tells me is that their frog tank had not been attended to for days, maybe weeks. They should have been checking it so the customer does not find this. I check my tanks many times a day! every day! They didn't. My newest FB's came from pet supplies plus and 1 of them was skinny. He has been offered more worms and seems ok, but lucky he lived long enough to get to my house.

But, the pacmac is just as cool as FB's and mine do have eco earth fiber. That reminds me, as soon as I wake up more their tank is getting cleaned today. I have to figure out a way to keep pebbles pushed up toward one end of aquarium. I tried using rocks underneath to make a wall, now I know I need more rocks, not a problem. I also wonder if indoor outdoor carpet would be nice for them? Might stop at Lowe's to see if they sell a small amount of it. It was just a thought. Write anytime as I love hearing about your pacman!