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[Glider Reptiles]

Hello, I have quite a bit of experience with frogs, I have bred and raised Pacman frogs, and Vietnamese Mossy Tree Frogs, Dumpys, and Waxy Monkey frogs. Anyway.. I have this friend who went and bought a bunch of tree frogs and put them together, these are the species. American Green Tree Frogs, Barking Tree Frogs, Grey Tree Frogs ,Red Eyed Tree Frogs, White Lipped Tree Frog. There are 3 of each in a 40 gal breeder tank, with different mosses and coco coir and things like that, I know more about toads and ground frogs and the few TF's that I listed, and not so much about these, but I didn't think any of these were supposed to be together. I told my friend that but he won't believe me.. He said I asked a bunch of people and they all agreed that then he would, so can anyone help me out here? He has a small water dish for them all, a fogger, some sticks one hide,and feeds them 2 crickets and 3 mealworms once a week.. He also won't believe me that that is the wrong care. He got them from some back yard breeder that said that is all they need..

[Heatheranne]

You are correct. Different species should not be housed together because they have different secretions to protect them in the wild. This is especially bad when sharing a water dish. Having too many species in the tank will also stress them. Each species should have their own tank. That is not enough food either. He should be offering at least 2 to 3 crickets per frog each night, or more if they are looking for food or look thin.

[Lija]

yes, it is a disaster waiting to happen, different secretion, different appetite and even with same species some of bigger ones would bully smaller ones, if you had waxies, you know what I'm talking about and here you have different species sharing same tank and water.

[deranged chipmunk]

+1 on all of the above, and i'm surprised that no one even said anything about the fact that there are what, 15 frogs in a 40b? Talk about stress! Tell you friend that just because the pet store does it doesn't mean you should do it too. Good luck with them

[Glider Reptiles]

So should it be a 20 gal long for each fog species? with it on one end so as it is taller for them? Or do some needa bigger space?

[Lija]

+1 on all of the above, and i'm surprised that no one even said anything about the fact that there are what, 15 frogs in a 40b? Talk about stress! Tell you friend that just because the pet store does it doesn't mean you should do it too. Good luck with them

i missed that, that is horrible, the size is tiny for the amount of frogs, for 15 frogs say red eye i would go with a VERY VERY big tank, at least 36x36x18 exo terra and I'm not talking different species here.

[deranged chipmunk]

If they were my frogs, each would have it's own 20L vertical conversions. Remember, tree frogs need more air space than land mass. Lija, i read the post like 3 times before i caught it

[Kira Hudson]

wow im supprised he hasnt noticed all but the white lipped tree frog disapere becuse they get very big and will eat all there other tank mates

[flybyferns]

What a mess! I hope you can convince this person to make some changes !
It is a "disaster waiting to happen" It's sad. It's actually, abusive !
It's a brew of tons of bugs, germs , stress, fungus, parasites, and bacteria ....all have been exposed to crossed contamination as a result of having kept them together!

For proper care , now. Each frog should be quarantined ( for 60 days ) , separately, and have fecal samples sent to a Vet to test for parasites.

Lija and Bill are right about height and size !
For example----I have ( which I consider max) 4 red eyed tree frogs in one enclosure and 5 black eyed tree frogs in another---these tanks are each Exo 36" H x36 W x 18 D

[UncleChester]

You might find some differing opinions on mixing the first three species, but I'm not sure what would possess someone to think it's a good idea to put a tropical frog like a red-yes in with those first three North American species. Different climates! I don't know much about the white lipped, except they get huge as mentioned. That alone should put them in a cage of their own.

I have read people having success with communal housing for Grays, Hyla versicolor, and American Greens, Hyla cinerea (for the record mine are housed seperately). Also Grays with Barkers, Hyla gratiosa. Barkers and American Greens will also readily interbreed in the wild, so ehh. There's no way I'd put them all together in a 40 gallon though, it would have to be a monster tank before I considered trying it. Like big enough to fit in comfortable myself.

And yes, feed more frequently. Especially if they're all young. But less mealworms, they're not really an awesome food source.

If they were my frogs, each would have it's own 20L vertical conversions. Remember, tree frogs need more air space than land mass. Lija, i read the post like 3 times before i caught it

Knowing you, I'm sure you mean 20gallon tanks, but thought I'd clarify.

[Glider Reptiles]

Thank you!! I will tell him!!