Wouldn't this be illegal?

[ejh805]

I was looking at Woodhouse toads and saw this.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but from what I've read, isn't selling wild caught Colorado River toads illegal?

[mikesfrogs]

I was looking at Woodhouse toads and saw this.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but from what I've read, isn't selling wild caught Colorado River toads illegal?

It is illegal but no one can get introuble unless they are caught collecting them. Its hard to prove they are wild caught and thats why they still get away with it.

[ejh805]

There's some pretty big loopholes in these laws :/

[Beardo]

I might be wrong, but isn't it only illegal if the toads come from a certain area (such as Arizona or New Mexico)? I could be totally off base here.....

[ejh805]

I believe you are right.
I was under the impression that the only places they were found wild (for the most part) were these areas though?

[ToadPaparazzi]

In California it is illegal to possess Bufo Alvarius. They have been extirpated from CA. CA Fish and Wildlife has made it illegal to possess in order to protect them from being brought over from AZ (AZ doesn't allow their native herps to be transported out of state). They are also trying to protect any small populations that might be left in CA.

Outside of CA and AZ, it is the responsibility of each state to allow or not allow certain species. Some states do not allow these toads to be kept due to the hallucinogenic properties of their toxin.

[KingCam]

Some states do not allow these toads to be kept due to the hallucinogenic properties of their toxin.

The man is out to get us! DOWN WITH THE MAN! The govt should realize we're all connected spiritually and if we....




....I think I licked my cane toad again, my bad. Ignore me.





LOL JK! I would never lick my toad, I don't think she would like it much.

[ejh805]

The man is out to get us! DOWN WITH THE MAN! The govt should realize we're all connected spiritually and if we....




....I think I licked my cane toad again, my bad. Ignore me.





LOL JK! I would never lick my toad, I don't think she would like it much.

She'd be all like "Hey man, I don't like you that way."

[ejh805]

In California it is illegal to possess Bufo Alvarius. They have been extirpated from CA. CA Fish and Wildlife has made it illegal to possess in order to protect them from being brought over from AZ (AZ doesn't allow their native herps to be transported out of state). They are also trying to protect any small populations that might be left in CA.

Outside of CA and AZ, it is the responsibility of each state to allow or not allow certain species. Some states do not allow these toads to be kept due to the hallucinogenic properties of their toxin.

I just meant selling these toads WC.
WC means that it was probably obtained from within Arizona or New Mexico, and it's illegal to transport the toads out of those states.
Therefore they obtained these toads illegally?

[IrishRonin]

In Ca its illegal to sell any WC animals from the state, If you had 2 WC anything and breed them, you would be able to sell there offspring as CB. Now I'm not sure what is or isn't legal in other states.

[Namio]

In Ca its illegal to sell any WC animals from the state, If you had 2 WC anything and breed them, you would be able to sell there offspring as CB. Now I'm not sure what is or isn't legal in other states.

I would like to add that in California, most amphibian species are illegal to collect in the first place.

WC means that it was probably obtained from within Arizona or New Mexico, and it's illegal to transport the toads out of those states. Therefore they obtained these toads illegally?

To some people, legal or illegal is not the question, but they rather prioritize on making profits. I wonder if there's a federal agency that enforces pet trade laws in the states?

[arielgasca420]

you can get in a lot of trouble if caught with a wild caught Bufo alvarius. The problem is that trade is not closely regulated. You can also be charged with a controlled substance if you intend to harvest the bufotenin by 'milking'. It is not a lick thing, that is a myth. you have to smoke the bufotoxins (a type of DMT) Licking would make you extremely sick. If you have a frog, but no means to use it for the drug then it is only illegal because it is considered endangered if you live in CA. I think it may be legal to only possess in AZ, but I would double check with state laws if you are looking to get one.

[Grasspupper]

in all reality, we can discuss legalities until the end of time. the fact of the matter is not really whether or not it is illegal, the problem is enforcement. unless there is a complaint filed, it will continue. heck, they can make it a freaking constitutional amendment, but who is going to enforce it? the E.P.A.? your local SPCA? they barely have enough funding for the jobs they are currently doing (sort of). and all those loop holes are a joke. for example, a friend of mine saw online that he could buy a baby alligator. problem is, he lives in NJ and they are illegal to purchase and own without a permit. however, i live 3 miles from him, but in PA. of course he asked me to purchase it for him (legal to buy/purchase in PA) and drive it over the bridge to his house. really, who is going to know? and of course, really, the only law i am breaking is transporting the animal over state lines without a permit. i think it's like a $500.00 fine or something like that. he did all the research. so, the short of it is, the gator comes in tuesday. lol seriously, i would never do that, but you can see how easily these folk get away with it.

Enforcement of exotic animal ownership falls under the state's USDA department of APHIS ( animal protection and health inspection services), but you're right, they don't have the funding and especially the man power to do their jobs properly.

[arielgasca420]

Enforcement of exotic animal ownership falls under the state's USDA department of APHIS ( animal protection and health inspection services), but you're right, they don't have the funding and especially the man power to do their jobs properly.

It does not surprise me that this is lowly regulated. We cannot even get our FDA to regulate our drugs and food properly.
I personally would not gamble with it. there are some really cool pets out there, but I am not willing to break any sort of law or regulation just to obtain it. (even if I could get away with it)

[Grasspupper]

Unfortunately not everyone feels this way. It breaks my heart to find out that some one has illegally obtained an exotic wild animal that is endangered or extinct in the wild. What's worse that sometimes, they don't see anything wrong with it.