Yeah I'm not planing on breeding them now, I was thinking about a year a a half I mean they grow fast but I don't have the knowledge yet to try it.. I don't want to kill them or do anything to harm them...Ill stick to breeding my snakes like I've been doing for over 10 year lol that I could do with my eyes close.. I have always seen the horned/pacman frogs but just recently decided to try and keep some as pets and try to breed them and now I'm hooked lol