2 new ADFs floating and climbing out of water

[froglett]

woke this morning and both frogs were dead. floating upright against plasyic plants. they hadn't moved position since last night.
when I poked them to check they were dead they both floated and landed upside down.

I'm confused about what happened to them because they were both on the bottom of a relatively shallow well planted tank in the aquatic shop.
they were the only frogs left in a tank crammed with newts.

what does it sound like they died of? and are my other frogs at risk?

I know they were in a uncycled tank lasf night which is very bad. but they did look almost dead at that point anyway.

[mpmistr]

Hard to say, Ammonia at 0ppm is good but you need to test Nitrite and Nitrates too. Nitrites are actually more toxic than Ammonia.

If they were kept with Newts than that could have caused a problem, many Newts are toxic, long exposure to their toxins certainly could cause damage and shorten their life spans significantly. (this is just a guess, however)

If your LFS is mixing amphibian species that is kind of a bad sign... a LFS here had a vivarium with fire bellied toads, bullfrog tadpoles, african dwarf frogs all in one tank.. thankfully they've moved these species to separate tanks recently.. (but they don't carry bullfrog tadpoles anymore which is kind of a bummer..).

[froglett]

I'm taking a sample of my water to the lfs today to try and get a refund. they offered replacements but I really don't want to buy anything else from them.
my frogs seem fine atm but I'm really worried its that chytrid fungus that shows no symptoms for weeks or months.
when I examined the dead frogs bodies they both had skin that looked bumpy and ready to shed. one had a patch of skin missing from its back.

they were only put in a couple of inches of water in the sealed plastic bag to be transported home though.
would that cause an issue? my others were in much deeper water when bagged for the trip home.

[rodsboys]

It is hard to say what exactly the issue is. My guess is prolonged toxin exposure and a shock when added to a clean system at your place OR chytrid fungus. You will know in a few weeks if it is the latter of the two as your other frogs were exposed long enough to be infected. The desire to escape the water, the floating, lifelessness, and the torn skin have me fearing it may well be chytrid. I had 2 devastating bouts with it in past years. All of my losses were new colonies in the quarantine phase though.

[froglett]

I got a refund from the lfs and they said the frogs died because my ph is low (they tested my water).
everything was fine except the ph which was 6 point something. I've now put crushed coral sand in old tights in my filter to raise the ph. I'm not convinced that was the cause though.

my frog Kyle (who was the one hiding at the top of the plants days ago) has since started climbing out of the water onto the filter.
I've noticed tonight that he has a red sore looking patch on his stomach. he's always at the top now either trying to climb out or sticking his head out of the water.
is it worth quarantIning him? wouldnt they all have caught whatever it is by now? should I treat them and with what?

[mpmistr]

I got a refund from the lfs and they said the frogs died because my ph is low (they tested my water).
everything was fine except the ph which was 6 point something. I've now put crushed coral sand in old tights in my filter to raise the ph. I'm not convinced that was the cause though.

my frog Kyle (who was the one hiding at the top of the plants days ago) has since started climbing out of the water onto the filter.
I've noticed tonight that he has a red sore looking patch on his stomach. he's always at the top now either trying to climb out or sticking his head out of the water.
is it worth quarantIning him? wouldnt they all have caught whatever it is by now? should I treat them and with what?

Low pH? What is your pH? The biggest question would be what is the pH difference from the LFS compared to your tap water at home.

The best pH is a stable pH.. doing drastic things to change pH is not a good idea.. it would be far easier to adjust your frogs to your water's pH.

If this was a pH issue the best thing to do would be to acclimate the frogs to the pH of your water, preferably using the drip method.

Was this tank fully cycled?

[froglett]

yeah. it was fully cycled before i put the frogs in. the platies were in there for about a week prior and it was cycled then too.

the ph of the tank is 6.6. pure out of the tap its 7. the shop said there's was 7.5.
I did leave the frogs in the bag for a bit before putting them in and gradually added more of my water to the bag.
I've only just put the crushed coral in.

eta. the frog is now floating on the surface arms and legs spread like the others did. he's been in there for about 3 weeks and was fine until very recently

[rodsboys]

I got a refund from the lfs and they said the frogs died because my ph is low (they tested my water).
everything was fine except the ph which was 6 point something. I've now put crushed coral sand in old tights in my filter to raise the ph. I'm not convinced that was the cause though.

my frog Kyle (who was the one hiding at the top of the plants days ago) has since started climbing out of the water onto the filter.
I've noticed tonight that he has a red sore looking patch on his stomach. he's always at the top now either trying to climb out or sticking his head out of the water.
is it worth quarantIning him? wouldnt they all have caught whatever it is by now? should I treat them and with what?

I didn't bother reading the post after this one yet, but had to reply to this. It pisses me off when stores try to play that card. PH is an insignificant factor compared to stability. There are people breeding discus in 8.3 PH here because they maintain constant good water parameters. Did these *******s offer to show you what the PH is in the store tank? I doubt it. Glad they gave you your money back. Don't go there anymore. It sounds like you have a case of chytrid based on your other frogs starting to do the same stuff. There is a treatment for it. You can still save the last two. I will have to dig it up and post it here for you in a bit.
Take that stupid crushed coral out by all means, your PH is perfectly fine.

[mpmistr]

Yes, fighting the pH of your water is a waste of time. Unless you have expensive fish with VERY specific needs (read: Discus) you are just going to fight a losing battle on pH.. most aquarium bred fish and especially aquatic frogs are very adaptable to any normal range of pH (6.5 to 7.5).

I am not familiar with chytrid but that could very easily explain what is happening here. Did you not also have an ADF with a foot that rotted off?? That has to be chytrid of something particularly nasty..

[froglett]

thanks. I'm sure its a disease rather than my water. I mentioned chytrid to him but he said if they had that they'd be in a tank with a sign being treated. everything I've read about chytrid suggests you can't treat the tank as a whole. the guy obviously knew nothing about frogs.