Sick Pacman

[nev]

Hi everyone, I am new here, been looking around trying to get some information and was hoping someone may help.
My Pacman is 4 years old and is the size of a baseball, he has always been extremely healthy.
He is housed in a 10 gallon tank with a corner water dish, Eco earth coconut fiber substrate, has a hanging plant on the side of tank, a glass top and his light.
I keep it spayed down so he has humidity. He started out with calcium dusted crickets and then onto pinkies, hoppers and now he eats mice.
He was always quite an aggressive eater, he has one mouse per week. I change his substrate every two weeks and remove poop when I see it.
I have seen these guys get the metabolic calcium deficiency, when their legs stretch backwards and they seize up so I do not think that is our problem.
So, Toxic Out Syndrome came to mind so I kept soaking him and changing the water every four hours and that was last week, it seemed that he recovered.
Yesterday it started again, he is twitching and spazeming and I keep soaking him and a milky substance is coming from his butt, it seems that after he is in his water for a while, he will get out and he will bury himself and be ok...then a little while later he starts again. I want to get him through the night so I can try to get him to the doctor tomorrow.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[infamouschris7]

A mouse a week sounds crazy. Mice depending on size shouldn't be fed more than once a month. Your not giving your frog enough time to digest the entire mouse. The substrate should be change once a month. Every two weeks is probably stressing him out. I would suggest raising the temperature if possible to around 85 degrees with high humidity.

[nev]

A mouse a week sounds crazy. Mice depending on size shouldn't be fed more than once a month. Your not giving your frog enough time to digest the entire mouse. The substrate should be change once a month. Every two weeks is probably stressing him out. I would suggest raising the temperature if possible to around 85 degrees with high humidity.

It is a small mouse...the pet store told me weekly is when he should be fed and I thought it was ok because he has had regular BM's and he has been eating like this for 2 years now.
I was so worried about him sitting in toxins that I wanted to make sure his tank was cleaned.
He is in a humid environment in the 80's, I spreay it daily and change his water daily also, I hope he pulls through tonight and if he makes it I will certainly change his feeding and cleaning regimen.
I appreciate your input.

[Sunshine]

I'm sorry your baby isn't feeling well What are your temps and humidity? Is he still eating? Mice should be limited to one per month because they are fattening and from what I have learned, the frogs don't digest animal proteins very easily. Nightcrawlers are a better staple. Are you dusting food items with calcium and vitamins? I don't know much about frog illnesses but I will try to help as much as I can.

[nev]

Thanks Sherry...it seems that his feeding may be the answer and maybe tank cleaning stressing him out.
Because you are the second person who told me I am feeding him too quickly.
He is in a humid environment in the 80's, I have a glass top on it to hold in the humidity, the screened top was too dry.
I hope he is ok in the morning, if so he will go to the vet.

[Sunshine]

You are welcome! I try to help when I can I hope your baby makes it through the night so he can go to the doctor. Keep me updated on his progress. If you ever have questions about anything we would be happy to help! Maybe when he is feeling better you can post some pics? We love pics here! Good luck!

[Lija]

then I'll be the next person to tell you - never ever feed pacman mice as a staple, only as treat no more then once a month, 4y old is about time when consequences are starting to come out. It seems some kind of neuro damage is happening to him. hope he'll pull it through and I'm glad you are going to the vet.

as for pet store advices.... i better not go into it, too many threads on here on a topic, too many frog deaths and problems, to summarize - never listen to pet store people and do your own research.

what kind of water are you using? what are the temps? why are you soaking him in a water changing it every 4 hours? did i get the last part right? would you post pic of the enclosure and the frog.

[nev]

then I'll be the next person to tell you - never ever feed pacman mice as a staple, only as treat no more then once a month, 4y old is about time when consequences are starting to come out. It seems some kind of neuro damage is happening to him. hope he'll pull it through and I'm glad you are going to the vet.

as for pet store advices.... i better not go into it, too many threads on here on a topic, too many frog deaths and problems, to summarize - never listen to pet store people and do your own research.

what kind of water are you using? what are the temps? why are you soaking him in a water changing it every 4 hours? did i get the last part right? would you post pic of the enclosure and the frog.

Hi Lija...I have well water that does not have any chemicals, I also do not have a water softener. I was soaking him because as I was researching his symptoms pointed to Toxic Out Syndrome and that is what seem to be reccomended, it looked like it was helping because a milky white subtance was coming from his butt, but I I really have no idea. Temps are in the 80's, it is humid, Let me see if I can get some pics for you.
Thank you )

[Sunshine]

Are you dechlorinating his water? Well water still has lots of heavy metals and chloramines in it which are toxic.

[Ra]

I would cut back on the mice. If its Four years old, and depending on whether its a male or a female, only needs to eat once every ten to fourteen days. Change things up with a trip to the store once every couple of weeks and get some nightcrawlers or crickets, or some healthy looking fish (avoid the cheap feeder fish tanks) Cut the mice back to once a month.

If you change your bedding every two weeks, then you should consider checking out the conditions of your water and also whether or not the coco fiber is getting soggy.

[nev]

Here is Tubby...he also has a ZooMed under tank heater as well as his lamp. He has stopped twitching now and he is sitting in his water now, When he gets out I will change the water again. I left it like this so you can see that white stuff in the corner, it comes out of his rear and is not skin, could that be toxins?