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    Quote Originally Posted by Maharg View Post
    Thats true with Pacmans? I know thats what they say to do with Geckos but Paans are built to eat larger items. The distance between the eyes is only about a qaurter the size of a pacmans mouth! I was looking at a post that was made on this forum a while back regarding the stomach content of a pacman. Something like 85%was large prey items. (Amphibians, mammals) Small insects made up a very small percentage of their natural diet
    No, I don't think it's true for Pacman's, it's a generalized rule taken from lizard keeping that just doesn't apply to Pacmasn frogs. "Horned Frogs" by Phillipe De Vosjoli, who played an important role in the establishment of the Horned Frog in the pet trade, suggests "prey length equal to the width of the frog's mouth" in regard to feeding fish. "Froglets up to 2 inches...three week old crickets every one to two days." three week old crickets are 3/8 inch give or take. the same size is suggested for 2 to 4 inch froglets, which can also eat prekilled pinkies and supplemented superworms, which have far less chitin than regular mealworms, though they should not be fed as a staple (variety in any diet is always better). Adults can eat fully grown crickets, which are 1 inch or so.
    So when feeding nightcrawlers in "sections" you can cut the piece to be the width of the frogs mouth, not the space between its eyes.

    Yes, it is true that a large portion of their wild diet would be vertebrate prey of various types, so insect diets require calcium supplementation on a regular basis. Regular feeding of mice can lead to health problems, and if you use feeder fish, its better to breed your own as feeder red minnows and goldfish present disease risks and their tanks are highly medicated which may harm the frog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra View Post
    No, I don't think it's true for Pacman's, it's a generalized rule taken from lizard keeping that just doesn't apply to Pacmasn frogs. "Horned Frogs" by Phillipe De Vosjoli, who played an important role in the establishment of the Horned Frog in the pet trade, suggests "prey length equal to the width of the frog's mouth" in regard to feeding fish. "Froglets up to 2 inches...three week old crickets every one to two days." three week old crickets are 3/8 inch give or take. the same size is suggested for 2 to 4 inch froglets, which can also eat prekilled pinkies and supplemented superworms, which have far less chitin than regular mealworms, though they should not be fed as a staple (variety in any diet is always better). Adults can eat fully grown crickets, which are 1 inch or so.
    So when feeding nightcrawlers in "sections" you can cut the piece to be the width of the frogs mouth, not the space between its eyes.

    Yes, it is true that a large portion of their wild diet would be vertebrate prey of various types, so insect diets require calcium supplementation on a regular basis. Regular feeding of mice can lead to health problems, and if you use feeder fish, its better to breed your own as feeder red minnows and goldfish present disease risks and their tanks are highly medicated which may harm the frog.
    J suggest New frog owners to use the distance between the eyes rule to help prevent a prolapse. Large cricket heads are like mealworm chitin and cannot be digested which can cause impaction in small frogs sometimes leading to a prolapse. Playing it safe is better than offering large prey items and the frog suffering for it. I've seen it quite a few times.


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    3/8 inch crickets shouldnt cause a problem in frogs under two inches. The problem is that pet stores generally stock two sizes small(er) and large(r), which tend to fluctuate as weeks go by between orders. What came into the store as 3/8 inch crickets end up being 3/4 inch crickets in a couple of weeks, leaving the consumer with no option to buy smaller crickets.
    Ordering your crickets online may not be much help as they will grow just as quickly if you order in bulk. The only options are if you have a reptile specialty store that carries all six sizes at all times or breeding your own. Breeding crickets is a kind of a pain in the butt, which makes the slow growing dubia a much better option though they are more expensive if you arent breeding them.
    I do not think you are facing a prolapse concern or a an impaction concern if you are feeding nightcrawler sections that are equal in length to the width of the frogs mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra View Post
    3/8 inch crickets shouldnt cause a problem in frogs under two inches. The problem is that pet stores generally stock two sizes small(er) and large(r), which tend to fluctuate as weeks go by between orders. What came into the store as 3/8 inch crickets end up being 3/4 inch crickets in a couple of weeks, leaving the consumer with no option to buy smaller crickets.
    Ordering your crickets online may not be much help as they will grow just as quickly if you order in bulk. The only options are if you have a reptile specialty store that carries all six sizes at all times or breeding your own. Breeding crickets is a kind of a pain in the butt, which makes the slow growing dubia a much better option though they are more expensive if you arent breeding them.
    I do not think you are facing a prolapse concern or a an impaction concern if you are feeding nightcrawler sections that are equal in length to the width of the frogs mouth.
    With night crawlers no, but like you said with crickets not all sizes are normally available at most stores.


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    Thank you to everybody who contributed to this conversation. I literally just purchased my first Green Fantasy Pacman Frog!! Ill post some pics later tonight.

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