Biiiig poop!?!

[Silverspring47]

My bfs frog poops HUGE poops, that get stuck...eventually he passes em, but they r like double the size of the little guy!!! Is he ok??? Fed too much? I said he needs to gut load his crickets, but he's convinced the crappy idiot reptile store has the gut loaded on cricket feed already. I doubt that since they suck as a store!!! What do u guys think?????? These things r massive and can't even be uhhh pulled out (he tried to break it free, didnt work)
Thx

[GrifTheGreat]

My bfs frog poops HUGE poops, that get stuck...eventually he passes em, but they r like double the size of the little guy!!! Is he ok??? Fed too much? I said he needs to gut load his crickets, but he's convinced the crappy idiot reptile store has the gut loaded on cricket feed already. I doubt that since they suck as a store!!! What do u guys think?????? These things r massive and can't even be uhhh pulled out (he tried to break it free, didnt work)
Thx

Don't pull on them. You could cause a prolapse. Its not unusual for them to have really large poop when they wait too long to go. He needs to gut load the crickets and also try earthworms or night crawlers. With the worms he will need to cut appropriately sizes pieces off starting at the tail. The size of the chunk should be not much longer than the distance between the frog's eyes.

How big is the frog?

[Silverspring47]

Thanks! The frog is about....an inch n a half ...just a wee lil guy...he poops the same length of his body!!! Like WTF!?! Lol I heard they r all mouth n stomach....apparently colon too!

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks! The frog is about....an inch n a half ...just a wee lil guy...he poops the same length of his body!!! Like WTF!?! Lol I heard they r all mouth n stomach....apparently colon too!

Ok. crickets should also not be larger than the distance between the frog's eyes.

[Maharg]

Ok. crickets should also not be larger than the distance between the frog's eyes.

Thats true with Pacmans? I know thats what they say to do with Geckos but Paans are built to eat larger items. The distance between the eyes is only about a qaurter the size of a pacmans mouth! I was looking at a post that was made on this forum a while back regarding the stomach content of a pacman. Something like 85%was large prey items. (Amphibians, mammals) Small insects made up a very small percentage of their natural diet

[Ra]

Thats true with Pacmans? I know thats what they say to do with Geckos but Paans are built to eat larger items. The distance between the eyes is only about a qaurter the size of a pacmans mouth! I was looking at a post that was made on this forum a while back regarding the stomach content of a pacman. Something like 85%was large prey items. (Amphibians, mammals) Small insects made up a very small percentage of their natural diet

No, I don't think it's true for Pacman's, it's a generalized rule taken from lizard keeping that just doesn't apply to Pacmasn frogs. "Horned Frogs" by Phillipe De Vosjoli, who played an important role in the establishment of the Horned Frog in the pet trade, suggests "prey length equal to the width of the frog's mouth" in regard to feeding fish. "Froglets up to 2 inches...three week old crickets every one to two days." three week old crickets are 3/8 inch give or take. the same size is suggested for 2 to 4 inch froglets, which can also eat prekilled pinkies and supplemented superworms, which have far less chitin than regular mealworms, though they should not be fed as a staple (variety in any diet is always better). Adults can eat fully grown crickets, which are 1 inch or so.
So when feeding nightcrawlers in "sections" you can cut the piece to be the width of the frogs mouth, not the space between its eyes.

Yes, it is true that a large portion of their wild diet would be vertebrate prey of various types, so insect diets require calcium supplementation on a regular basis. Regular feeding of mice can lead to health problems, and if you use feeder fish, its better to breed your own as feeder red minnows and goldfish present disease risks and their tanks are highly medicated which may harm the frog.

[Namio]

Thats true with Pacmans? I know thats what they say to do with Geckos but Paans are built to eat larger items. The distance between the eyes is only about a qaurter the size of a pacmans mouth! I was looking at a post that was made on this forum a while back regarding the stomach content of a pacman. Something like 85%was large prey items. (Amphibians, mammals) Small insects made up a very small percentage of their natural diet

Hi there, I think the post you were referring to was the one I posted about the natural diet of Surinam horned frog, Ceratophrys cornuta, which I believe that particular species eats more vertebrate prey than most other members of the same genus.

Soft-bodied insects (crickets) and earthworms with supplement dusting can make an appropriate and staple diet for ornate, cranwelli, and other common horned frogs on the market.

[Ra]

Hi there, I think the post you were referring to was the one I posted about the natural diet of Surinam horned frog, Ceratophrys cornuta, which I believe that particular species eats more vertebrate prey than most other members of the same genus.

Soft-bodied insects (crickets) and earthworms with supplement dusting can make an appropriate and staple diet for ornate, cranwelli, and other common horned frogs on the market.

Field reports have started to show that most Horned Frogs eat other frogs in the wild, with one report describing a female Cranwelli eating two different species of frog with 10 minutes while the female was amplexed by a male, they then went off into the pond to breed. I'm fairly certain these larged mouthed frogs will eat anything that moves in the wild, but most commonly other frogs.

[GrifTheGreat]

No, I don't think it's true for Pacman's, it's a generalized rule taken from lizard keeping that just doesn't apply to Pacmasn frogs. "Horned Frogs" by Phillipe De Vosjoli, who played an important role in the establishment of the Horned Frog in the pet trade, suggests "prey length equal to the width of the frog's mouth" in regard to feeding fish. "Froglets up to 2 inches...three week old crickets every one to two days." three week old crickets are 3/8 inch give or take. the same size is suggested for 2 to 4 inch froglets, which can also eat prekilled pinkies and supplemented superworms, which have far less chitin than regular mealworms, though they should not be fed as a staple (variety in any diet is always better). Adults can eat fully grown crickets, which are 1 inch or so.
So when feeding nightcrawlers in "sections" you can cut the piece to be the width of the frogs mouth, not the space between its eyes.

Yes, it is true that a large portion of their wild diet would be vertebrate prey of various types, so insect diets require calcium supplementation on a regular basis. Regular feeding of mice can lead to health problems, and if you use feeder fish, its better to breed your own as feeder red minnows and goldfish present disease risks and their tanks are highly medicated which may harm the frog.

J suggest New frog owners to use the distance between the eyes rule to help prevent a prolapse. Large cricket heads are like mealworm chitin and cannot be digested which can cause impaction in small frogs sometimes leading to a prolapse. Playing it safe is better than offering large prey items and the frog suffering for it. I've seen it quite a few times.

[GrifTheGreat]

Field reports have started to show that most Horned Frogs eat other frogs in the wild, with one report describing a female Cranwelli eating two different species of frog with 10 minutes while the female was amplexed by a male, they then went off into the pond to breed. I'm fairly certain these larged mouthed frogs will eat anything that moves in the wild, but most commonly other frogs.

This is nearly 100% true. Not only will the eat anything that moves, but they will eat just about anything they can fit in your mouths and some thing that won't.

[Ra]

3/8 inch crickets shouldnt cause a problem in frogs under two inches. The problem is that pet stores generally stock two sizes small(er) and large(r), which tend to fluctuate as weeks go by between orders. What came into the store as 3/8 inch crickets end up being 3/4 inch crickets in a couple of weeks, leaving the consumer with no option to buy smaller crickets.
Ordering your crickets online may not be much help as they will grow just as quickly if you order in bulk. The only options are if you have a reptile specialty store that carries all six sizes at all times or breeding your own. Breeding crickets is a kind of a pain in the butt, which makes the slow growing dubia a much better option though they are more expensive if you arent breeding them.
I do not think you are facing a prolapse concern or a an impaction concern if you are feeding nightcrawler sections that are equal in length to the width of the frogs mouth.

[GrifTheGreat]

3/8 inch crickets shouldnt cause a problem in frogs under two inches. The problem is that pet stores generally stock two sizes small(er) and large(r), which tend to fluctuate as weeks go by between orders. What came into the store as 3/8 inch crickets end up being 3/4 inch crickets in a couple of weeks, leaving the consumer with no option to buy smaller crickets.
Ordering your crickets online may not be much help as they will grow just as quickly if you order in bulk. The only options are if you have a reptile specialty store that carries all six sizes at all times or breeding your own. Breeding crickets is a kind of a pain in the butt, which makes the slow growing dubia a much better option though they are more expensive if you arent breeding them.
I do not think you are facing a prolapse concern or a an impaction concern if you are feeding nightcrawler sections that are equal in length to the width of the frogs mouth.

With night crawlers no, but like you said with crickets not all sizes are normally available at most stores.

[Maharg]

Thank you to everybody who contributed to this conversation. I literally just purchased my first Green Fantasy Pacman Frog!! Ill post some pics later tonight.

[Namio]

Field reports have started to show that most Horned Frogs eat other frogs in the wild, with one report describing a female Cranwelli eating two different species of frog with 10 minutes while the female was amplexed by a male, they then went off into the pond to breed. I'm fairly certain these larged mouthed frogs will eat anything that moves in the wild, but most commonly other frogs.

I agreed with you completely, Ra, but I'm kinda confused with your response. I was not saying that horned frogs species other than Cornuta don't eat vertebrate preys in the wild. Of course they do, just less in proportion to Cornuta. Because Cornuta has by far the biggest mouth (1.6 times of its SVL) of all Ceratophrys spp. so it is reasonable to assume those big mouths (Lol!) eat more vertebrate preys (aka bigger preys) than other horned frog species.

This is nearly 100% true. Not only will the eat anything that moves, but they will eat just about anything they can fit in your mouths and some thing that won't.

Yup, that sounds exactly like what most frogs do.