Wikipedia error or not? (Pacman size)

[GrifTheGreat]

It was my understanding that Ornata is the largest readily available Horned Frog. (Argentine)
According to wikipedia tho, ( Surinam horned frog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) the Suriname is larger and will even prey on Ornata.

"This species was once considered the same species as*Ceratophrys ornata. This dispute was later settled because the Surinam Horned frog inhabits a different habitat than its SMALLER cousin and does not interbreed with it in the wild (but will do so in captivity). This species has been known to prey upon the other species of horned frog, especially the northern race of*Ceratophrys ornata."

The largest Horned Frog species is C. Aurita seconded by C. Ornata. There are some female Auritas that were recorded at 10" SVL. C. Ornata can have females reaching 8" and C. Cornuta females reaching 6". To be exact each species would prey on one another. They are cannibalistic and will eat the same species and the other species if they're hungry and the opportunity were to arise.

[Maharg]

This is what I thought as well. So where the article refers to Ornata as the smaller cousin, it should say larger, correct?
Always knew wiki wasn't to be 100% trusted. Just wanted to confirm.

[GrifTheGreat]

This is what I thought as well. So where the article refers to Ornata as the smaller cousin, it should say larger, correct?
Always knew wiki wasn't to be 100% trusted. Just wanted to confirm.

Well its not necessarily wrong. Ornata have the potential to reach 8", but rarely reach that size. Most only top out at 5.5" to 6". Cornutas can reach 6", but most top out at 4.5" to 5.5".

[Maharg]

Thanks Grif. Was also curious, is the Fantasy noticeably smaller then a pure cornutas because of the Cranwell?

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks Grif. Was also curious, is the Fantasy noticeably smaller then a pure cornutas because of the Cranwell?

No. Their size varies just like the full bloods. Some Cranwellies can reach over 5.5".

[Maharg]

So it's pretty safe to say that if your buying a pacman for size (I'm in to big amphibians. It's just my thing) on average there won't be much difference between say a Fantasy and Ornata?

[GrifTheGreat]

So it's pretty safe to say that if your buying a pacman for size (I'm in to big amphibians. It's just my thing) on average there won't be much difference between say a Fantasy and Ornata?

On average no, but if you like large Amphibians a Giant African Bullfrog would be largest in the trade.

[Ra]

Thanks Grif. Was also curious, is the Fantasy noticeably smaller then a pure cornutas because of the Cranwell?

From what I understand a Cranwelli is somewhat larger than a Cornuta, which female Cornutas reaching up to 4.5 inches while female Cranwelli get about 5.5. Male Cornutas get typically about 3 inches, while male Cranwelli get about 4.25 inches. My male Fantasy Frog is just under three inches at four to five months age and growing, I doubt he will get much bigger than 3.5. Typically Fantasy frogs come out to be similar in size to a Cornuta.

[GrifTheGreat]

From what I understand a Cranwelli is somewhat larger than a Cornuta, which female Cornutas reaching up to 4.5 inches while female Cranwelli get about 5.5. Male Cornutas get typically about 3 inches, while male Cranwelli get about 4.25 inches. My male Fantasy Frog is just under three inches at four to five months age and growing, I doubt he will get much bigger than 3.5. Typically Fantasy frogs come out to be similar in size to a Cornuta.

I'm giving rare instances and average not exact. All individuals usually vary so its hard to place an exact SVL on each species.

[Ra]

The largest Horned Frog species is C. Aurita seconded by C. Ornata. There are some female Auritas that were recorded at 10" SVL. C. Ornata can have females reaching 8" and C. Cornuta females reaching 6". To be exact each species would prey on one another. They are cannibalistic and will eat the same species and the other species if they're hungry and the opportunity were to arise.

It's considered that the 10" svl of an Aurita may have been a field observation that was exaggerated. C. Cornuta are typically somewhat smaller than a C.Cranwelli. Reports of one species preying on another come from areas where the frogs distribution overlaps. Obviously a frog that doesnt live in the same area as another species isn't going to eat it in the wild.

[GrifTheGreat]

It's considered that the 10" svl of an Aurita may have been a field observation that was exaggerated. C. Cornuta are typically somewhat smaller than a C.Cranwelli. Reports of one species preying on another come from areas where the frogs distribution overlaps. Obviously a frog that doesnt live in the same area as another species isn't going to eat it in the wild.

I've always suspected this as well, but it could be that when it was first described in a particular region that they may have been that size and due to habitat lose and climate changes as well as change in diet could have prevented them from reaching this massive size.

I guess in truth we'll never know, but its my favorite of the Horned Frog Species.