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    Default Re: what would happen if you feed a black widow, or any spider to your frog?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovenokia View Post
    Thanks, do you know how poisonous dart frogs are poisonous then? Like I sad in my earlier post, it is from the food that they want in the rain forest. Frogs have been are around for over 250 million years, so it shows how resilient of creatures that they are.



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    Dart frogs get their toxins from particular combinations of insects they eat. A lot of a particular ant and other insects that feed on potentially poisonous plants and fungi. When the frog feeds on these insects the poison is mixed up by the frog's body. PDFs are not Ceratophrys and with that said they do not create a powerful toxin like PDFs do. You cannot assume that just because this species can perform complex chemical concoctions that another completely different species can do the same. PDFs are small and cannot defend themselves from large predators so they produce a fatal toxin biochemicaly to make themselves inedible.

    Ceratophrys are large frogs with a painful bite and the ability to fill themselves with air to make them appear even larger. Not to mention the deafening screams they can produce to safe off potential predators. You can't compare a PDF to a Ceratophrys. They're not even close to the same., BUT all frogs and toads secrete a kind of toxin onto their skin. Some are deadly, others just make them taste bad or irritate the eyes and skin.

    It would be highly unlikely that a Black Widow would wonder into your frog's enclosure. Black Widows are very secretive and like dark cluttered areas with little activity. You're frog's enclosure would not be to her liking .


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    Frogs eat spiders all the time in the wild. The venom is usually rendered harmless when it comes into contact with stomach acids. HOWEVER, if the spider were to bite the frog on the way down it would definitely die if the bite came from a black widow.

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    Default Re: what would happen if you feed a black widow, or any spider to your frog?

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    Frogs eat spiders all the time in the wild. The venom is usually rendered harmless when it comes into contact with stomach acids. HOWEVER, if the spider were to bite the frog on the way down it would definitely die if the bite came from a black widow.
    Thanks Cam, That's exactly my point . Stomach acid breaks down nearly everything, but not all. Venom is basically a super concentrated chemically enhanced saliva. It is comprised of good chemical compounds that are only toxic when combined with the other proteins within the venom causing it to become harmful or deadly depending on what that specific venom does to the body.


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