Pacman Frog

[GrifTheGreat]

Yea I Had Mine for 4-6months already i was just mentally preparing if i should breed in the future or not and the difficulty time money dedication for it so yea. Im just sure i can provide the food for the new hatchlings and the space needed for them the only problem is how to breed and not let them eat each other is what im most afraid of. how hard for an albino and a ornate breed together

Very, very difficult. They are two different species. Albinos are Cranwellis. A cross between an Ornate and a Cranwelli is called an Orwell, but they are rare. And I have never heard of one from an Albino crossed with an Ornate. It is hard enough to get two. Ornate to breed. A lot of breeders end up using hormones. You would be better off to start with breeding Cranwells.

[DorkiTimmy]

Hmm i wish to buy some albinos around her in garden grove 92843 for a cheap price lower then 25 dollars whats the difference between ornate and a green pacman frog anyways and also i thought green or ornate pacman frog are common since most place has green and 2nd most are albinos :O

[GrifTheGreat]

Hmm i wish to buy some albinos around her in garden grove 92843 for a cheap price lower then 25 dollars whats the difference between ornate and a green pacman frog anyways and also i thought green or ornate pacman frog are common since most place has green and 2nd most are albinos :O

There is not a species called a Green Pacman. There are Green morphs of nearly each species. You need to do a lot of research. There are 8 species that are known and they are as follows;

Ceratophrys Aurita
Ceratophrys Calcarata
Ceratophrys Cornuta
Ceratophrys Cranwelli
Ceratophrys Joazeirensis(Caatinga)
Ceratophrys Ornata
Ceratophrys Stolzmani(Pacific)
Ceratophrys Testudo

A few are rare or not available so do your research. You have a long way before you will be capable of breeding these frogs. Also Pacman is their name for the Pet Trade. They are actually called Horned Frogs.

[DorkiTimmy]

Lol yea as you can see im trying to research atm asking people on a frog page about question i just seen ornate albino and green from some pet store and reptile store so i do not know and i tried search the species and color variation but didnt not come upon much information about it and also breeding i couldnt find more information but if species and the name and type of frog plays a big role in breeding ill try my best to research and learn thankyou

[Namio]

whats the difference between ornate and a green pacman frog anyways and also i thought green or ornate pacman frog are common since most place has green and 2nd most are albinos :O

I think the term "Green Pacman" is usually referring to a green phase Cranwelli. If it's an Ornata usually people call it "Ornate Pacman" instead of just green pacman. So in a way "Green Pacman" is somewhat synonymous with Cranwelli.

[DorkiTimmy]

wtf LOl the guy up there said yellow albinos are cranwelli and ornate is just... so confused now LMFAO

[GrifTheGreat]

wtf LOl the guy up there said yellow albinos are cranwelli and ornate is just... so confused now LMFAO

The Yellow Albinos are a Color morph of C. Cranwelli. They are not a different species nor are they true Albinos. They are what is called Melanistic which means they lack certain dark color pigments within their skin. True Albinos are milky pale white with red or pink eyes. The Yellow Albino is only part Albino due to them receiving the pink and red eyes. There are also different color Morphs and Phases of the Yellow Albino like Lime Green Albinos and Strawberry Albinos.

Research, Research, RESEARCH!!!

[DorkiTimmy]

i see i see Then which species of horned frogs/pacman frog would be the easiest to breed in your opinion or the easiest to get? start off with i still have long way to go i understand researching now

[Ra]

The Yellow Albinos are a Color morph of C. Cranwelli. They are not a different species nor are they true Albinos. They are what is called Melanistic which means they lack certain dark color pigments within their skin. True Albinos are milky pale white with red or pink eyes. The Yellow Albino is only part Albino due to them receiving the pink and red eyes. There are also different color Morphs and Phases of the Yellow Albino like Lime Green Albinos and Strawberry Albinos.

Research, Research, RESEARCH!!!

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Albino Cranwelli are albinos. In simplest terms, the pigments blue and yellow make green and if you take out the blue you typically get an albino, if you take out the yellow you would have a melanistic blue frog and if you took out all pigment in the skin you would have white leucistic frog with black eyes and a clear belly. One could argue that the Samurai Blues are Melanistic and the black eyed mutants are leucistic. Hopefully these traits become established through time without genetic defects the way that the albino morph has. I have heard of more than a few instances of Albino Pacman frogs coming from Green parents, which would mean that the albino trait was in the family history, probably the result of breeding albinos with Greens. It would be cool if the blue form and the black eyed mutant could become established in the same manner.

[Ra]

I currently own two Green Pacmans, one baby Brown Pacman, one large female albino Pacman, and Ornate Horned Frog, a beutiful male Fantasy Frog, a Budgett's Frog and an African Bullfrog. I plan to get some Samurai Blues and a couple more Ornates in the Future.

I lucked out when I bought my first three Pacmans, getting a female albino and two Green males. I plan on breeding them when they are sexually mature and ready.

[lumpbump]

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Im not sure how interchangeable certain phrases are between different species but I know in boa constrictors there are a few variants of albinism and melanism to include hypomelanistic and improved melanistic gene (IMG). Melanin is the pigment best represented by the color black. The process that converts certain chemicals into melanin is regulated by many intermediate steps. When that process is interrupted or stopped completely you in a sense have different shades of albino unless your criteria also includes pink or red eyes and tongues. Some albino boa constrictors have purple tongues, pink eyes, and creamy caramel like coloring. In the boa world this trait is sometimes referred to T+ or tyronase positive since only some of the process of forming melanin is interrupted.

It is mostly agreed upon that albino and albino variations are inherited in simple recessive manor. Perhaps the way frogs pass on albinism is not simple recessive but in a codominant manor. Meaning if only one gene for albino is present you get certain coloring but when two copies of the gene are present you get a super or hyperexagerated form? I know not! I have one C. Cranwelli and he's got pink eyes and his skin color changes from lime green to nearly ripe banana yellow

[GrifTheGreat]

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Albino Cranwelli are albinos. In simplest terms, the pigments blue and yellow make green and if you take out the blue you typically get an albino, if you take out the yellow you would have a melanistic blue frog and if you took out all pigment in the skin you would have white leucistic frog with black eyes and a clear belly. One could argue that the Samurai Blues are Melanistic and the black eyed mutants are leucistic. Hopefully these traits become established through time without genetic defects the way that the albino morph has. I have heard of more than a few instances of Albino Pacman frogs coming from Green parents, which would mean that the albino trait was in the family history, probably the result of breeding albinos with Greens. It would be cool if the blue form and the black eyed mutant could become established in the same manner.

Ra I am right. Melanism is when they lack dark pigments like black and brown. maybe you should look it up because I'm not sure where you get your info. Albinoism is where they lack all color pigments and therefore appear pinkish or milky white in skin color. All TRUE Albinos animals are white or pinkish.