Please Help! Really Concerned!

[sarahanita]

I'm not being self righteous! I am simply trying to get the point across that I get what you guys are saying, but I don't feel it needs to change. There is no way for you to know what the water in my city is like. Have you had frogs and used the water from THIS city and had bad things happen? No. So how can you say 100% without a doubt that I am "poisoning my frog" which is just stupid since the water is fine for all my other reptiles. I know they have more experience, as do the people I talk to here.

Also my friends frogs are already over 5 years old so you're point is invalid Bruce. And for your information I did know they needed calcium supplements I just believed he was receiving enough because of the food choice, I was wrong in that and now I am changing it. See? I'm not just getting advice and not listening to it. I am also giving him the soaks that were recommended. The moss is none of anyone's concern nor is the water I use.

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm not being self righteous! I am simply trying to get the point across that I get what you guys are saying, but I don't feel it needs to change. There is no way for you to know what the water in my city is like. Have you had frogs and used the water from THIS city and had bad things happen? No. So how can you say 100% without a doubt that I am "poisoning my frog" which is just stupid since the water is fine for all my other reptiles. I know they have more experience, as do the people I talk to here.

Also my friends frogs are already over 5 years old so you're point is invalid Bruce. And for your information I did know they needed calcium supplements I just believed he was receiving enough because of the food choice, I was wrong in that and now I am changing it. See? I'm not just getting advice and not listening to it. I am also giving him the soaks that were recommended. The moss is none of anyone's concern nor is tbd water I use.

I'm done. I've tried and you don't even understand simple reasoning. Chlorine is toxic to frogs as well as chlorimines which are in city water. These chemicals that make our water safe also make amphibians water sources toxic. Toxing Out Syndrome will begin to sit in after a period of exposure.

Your frog is sick and you are willing to take chances with your frog's life rather than taking all necessary precautions to assist in its recovery. You were and are not ready to care for one of these animals and if you persist in refusing to use any treatments or even take precautions it will die. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

Good luck.

[sarahanita]

Then explain to me how so many others have never had issues with the water? It simply doesn't make sense!

[sarahanita]

Was it so hard to just let it be that I believe the water is safe and leave it at that? Also he isn't eating the moss, when he grows and becomes a good eater I will remove the moss, until then there is no risk. You guys are making it sound like I'm just bashing down everything you say to me. The only things I am not following advice on are removing the moss and changing the water. I am confident they are not what is causing the issue so it should have just been dropped and moved on from the beginning.

[lumpbump]

Unsubscribed. Such a waste.

[NatureLady]

There is no way for you to know what the water in my city is like. Have you had frogs and used the water from THIS city and had bad things happen? No. So how can you say 100% without a doubt that I am "poisoning my frog" which is just stupid since the water is fine for all my other reptiles. I know they have more experience, as do the people I talk to here.

Sorry...random butt in...

I studied toxicology and it's effects on phibs in college.

YOU have NO IDEA what is in your city drinking water if you are going to be a jerk and say the above.
NO ONE knows what is in any drinking water until after the water is used. The water quality notices come out the next billing cycle, not a call over the phone saying that hey we found traces of poison in your drinking water today. Don't be an *** and say that these people have no idea what is in YOUR cities drinking water. NO ONE HAS A CLUE WHAT IS IN OUR WATER!!!! That is why you ALWAYS treat the water!

[sarahanita]

I'm sorry this is going to come out extremely rude, but after this argument is settled what makes you think I care about anything else people have to say about the water I use? It's settled and no one is listening to my point of the argument so I am done.

[NatureLady]

Oh don't worry dear...the comment wasn't for you.
It was for any other person reading this thread looking for answers. Many people research and never sign into forums. I would hate for this thread to give someone the wrong impression of how city water, water quality, and the safety of phibs relates.

[frogsubrosa]

And why do you think no one is agreeing with your argument? You admitted yourself that the water in your city uses water with low levels of chlorine. And so, you know chlorine is present in the water, and yet you're not doing anything about it.

You might be right that the water is NOT the cause of the problem. But have you thought about the case if you are wrong? Why take the risk? A water conditioner is cheap and readily available. It will not harm your frog, and even if it doesn't solve the problem, you're playing it safe.

This whole argument is not about YOU. It's about the well-being of your frog. And if you, as the owner, are not going to do the best to provide for your frog, then there really isn't an argument is there? The life of your frog lies in your hand. All the members here can do is advise you on the care. Ultimately, you make the choices.

[sarahanita]

I came here first because this thread was posted in the middle of the night when I first noticed the issue. The next day i did go to the store to ask them because I trust their opinion. It is not a big store that i know does things wrong, its hard to explain and I don't feel like this anymore. Is there any way to delete this thread because I am really sick of hearing this stuff repeated when frankly I don't give a **** anymore...

[arielgasca420]

And why do you think no one is agreeing with your argument? You admitted yourself that the water in your city uses water with low levels of chlorine. And so, you know chlorine is present in the water, and yet you're not doing anything about it.

You might be right that the water is NOT the cause of the problem. But have you thought about the case if you are wrong? Why take the risk? A water conditioner is cheap and readily available. It will not harm your frog, and even if it doesn't solve the problem, you're playing it safe.

This whole argument is not about YOU. It's about the well-being of your frog. And if you, as the owner, are not going to do the best to provide for your frog, then there really isn't an argument is there? The life of your frog lies in your hand. All the members here can do is advise you on the care. Ultimately, you make the choices.

I laugh every time I see your avatar picture. I cant get over it!

[arielgasca420]

I'm sorry this is going to come out extremely rude, but after this argument is settled what makes you think I care about anything else people have to say about the water I use? It's settled and no one is listening to my point of the argument so I am done.

then leave and stop responding. we dont give a rats hind quarters about you either, we only care about your frog

[sarahanita]

Unsubscribed thanks to self righteous *******s who think they know everything and wont stop harassing me.

[arielgasca420]

Unsubscribed thanks to self righteous *******s who think they know everything and wont stop harassing me.

sweet! now that she/he is gone I can ask a question about water. is rain water safe? I was always a skeptic of acid rain because I live in a city with a lot of pollution. also, My boss gives me this water that is filtered entirely and only leaves in natural minerals. its a $4,000 machine he got from japan and it makes the water with a pH of 9. is alkaline water bad for frogs?

[GrifTheGreat]

sweet! now that she/he is gone I can ask a question about water. is rain water safe? I was always a skeptic of acid rain because I live in a city with a lot of pollution. also, My boss gives me this water that is filtered entirely and only leaves in natural minerals. its a $4,000 machine he got from japan and it makes the water with a pH of 9. is alkaline water bad for frogs?

Rain water can be depending on where you live and of course it does pick up solution as it falls back to earth. Acid rain is definitely bad. Any puddle may contain chemical, parasites, and many other microbes that could harm your frog. Distilled water is basically condensation, but lacks minerals so is not a good choice for soaking and or expanding their substrate because it steals minerals and salts from the frogs if they bath in it. Rain may contain some mineral content, but barely and it relatively unsafe to use for your Captives.

I'm not sure about what comes out of the machine.