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[yoshimi]

No kidding, those bellies are awesome. Little buddahs. Bigger than I thought tho. Googled some pics of White's Tree Frogs and I can see how they can be called Dumpy tree frogs, tho I think that's a little mean. Some get hugely fat, wow. Yours don't look dumpy. I guess in time they may become great big blobs of adorable frog. Do these suction cup themselves to the sides of tank to sleep? Paul and I saw some doing that (think was a different species) and assumed they were fake til I noticed one breathing. Like you were concerned about, there was one just resting on the ground while his buddies were up higher and I worried for him. I still maintain that petsmart is more heart-breaking. At least my local petco has employees seen cleaning the tanks. It was at a petsmart that i saw a terribly thin tree frog. Felt I shouldn't have been able to see ribs, not that I know anything about them. These places should have regular surprise inspections by vets (if they don't already), and if too many amphibians are found to be sick or under-cared for, they should loose their frog license. And that should be a real thing.

Was just watching youtube videos of toads eating earthworms, to see how other people offer them. I still don't have a good system down. I get nervous about doing it correctly, with little or no dirt eating. So far, I'm seeing people just setting it down in front of them where it can't really burrow, and the toads take it from there. The best luck I've had is swishing a worm in toad water to clean it, blotting dry on paper towel, then laying it on his half-log when he was sitting next to it. Then today, holding one part with tongs and letting the other half touch down on rock steps Banjo was sitting on. I'll experiment more, but do you have any tips, what works for you? If it involves chopping it into pieces, I tried that 1st and it was awful. Think it worked but unnecessary cuz he can eat a whole one if he can get even a part of it into his mouth.

Anyway, these look great. Hope they've been pooping more good poops for you.

[yoshimi]

Was just watching youtube videos of toads eating earthworms, to see how other people offer them. I still don't have a good system down. I get nervous about doing it correctly, with little or no dirt eating. So far, I'm seeing people just setting it down in front of them where it can't really burrow, and the toads take it from there. The best luck I've had is swishing a worm in toad water to clean it, blotting dry on paper towel, then laying it on his half-log when he was sitting next to it. Then today, holding one part with tongs and letting the other half touch down on rock steps Banjo was sitting on. I'll experiment more, but do you have any tips, what works for you? If it involves chopping it into pieces, I tried that 1st and it was awful. Think it worked but unnecessary cuz he can eat a whole one if he can get even a part of it into his mouth.

I did it!! Or I figured out a way to make it happen, and I wanted to share it with you. This is the thread where I whine like a sad sack, http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...tml#post165036 but at the end I try a big plastic dish and get him eating one on video. He ate 3 in this fashion, (2 calcium/d3 dusted, one not), and another earlier this afternoon, but I only caught the last on tape. Not such good quality, even enhanced, but you can tell what's going on. I simply asked myself, wwgd (what would Gail do)? hah!

[kueluck]

I watched the video & that's how I started with the worms. You got this toad keeper thing going in the right direction. Wait until you can find moths. It's hilarious watching them chase those down.

I did it!! Or I figured out a way to make it happen, and I wanted to share it with you. This is the thread where I whine like a sad sack, http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...tml#post165036 but at the end I try a big plastic dish and get him eating one on video. He ate 3 in this fashion, (2 calcium/d3 dusted, one not), and another earlier this afternoon, but I only caught the last on tape. Not such good quality, even enhanced, but you can tell what's going on. I simply asked myself, wwgd (what would Gail do)? hah!

[kueluck]

This is Morph, my female Souther toad.

[yoshimi]

This is Morph, my female Souther toad.

Holy cow, that was a battle and a half.
Paul brought him a big fat moth from work, but he was too little and skittish for it, so I let it go. Before that I'd given him a small one but it just hid on flower pot and died. Now that he's bigger and more daring, should be fun. He's like a completely different toad now. If all goes according to plan, I should be going to pick up new toad tomorrow morning.
He was looking pretty full today, and I haven't seen a poo since last week, so gave him a honey soak. It usually works and he goes in the rinse-off. Last time, I watched and it was amazing. Didn't work today and he just got mad. That's the worst! But worms are really easy to digest, right? He ate so many (4, but he's just a little guy), I would think he'd have to go. He should be ok, and I'll try again later if he doesn't make on his own. Sometimes he digs an indent and goes, sometimes the water dish, but it's so erratic. That's the only thing that really worries me about him. If he has a secret poop space, I can't find it, but I hate doing the soak thing. Hopefully new toad is a self-starting pooper, and I can keep her that way.
Old tank is almost all ready for her. Looking forward to being able to put them together eventually. It sounds ridiculous, but I think he's lonely. Sometimes he'll catch a glimpse of his reflection and just stare at it. Sitting in food dish, nose to nose with himself one morning. I have backdrops up, but it might make reflections worse. Doesn't happen all the time, and he doesn't seem too stressed about it. But some company will hopefully be a good thing. And until then I can split my worry between the 2 of them.

[kueluck]

Yes worms are easy to digest, and you can also do just a warm water soak, no honey. That seems to get thing moving also, at least for mine it does. And toads don’t pick a certain spot to “go” in. It’s when ever and where ever, gotta love the toads!!

Holy cow, that was a battle and a half.
Paul brought him a big fat moth from work, but he was too little and skittish for it, so I let it go. Before that I'd given him a small one but it just hid on flower pot and died. Now that he's bigger and more daring, should be fun. He's like a completely different toad now. If all goes according to plan, I should be going to pick up new toad tomorrow morning.
He was looking pretty full today, and I haven't seen a poo since last week, so gave him a honey soak. It usually works and he goes in the rinse-off. Last time, I watched and it was amazing. Didn't work today and he just got mad. That's the worst! But worms are really easy to digest, right? He ate so many (4, but he's just a little guy), I would think he'd have to go. He should be ok, and I'll try again later if he doesn't make on his own. Sometimes he digs an indent and goes, sometimes the water dish, but it's so erratic. That's the only thing that really worries me about him. If he has a secret poop space, I can't find it, but I hate doing the soak thing. Hopefully new toad is a self-starting pooper, and I can keep her that way.
Old tank is almost all ready for her. Looking forward to being able to put them together eventually. It sounds ridiculous, but I think he's lonely. Sometimes he'll catch a glimpse of his reflection and just stare at it. Sitting in food dish, nose to nose with himself one morning. I have backdrops up, but it might make reflections worse. Doesn't happen all the time, and he doesn't seem too stressed about it. But some company will hopefully be a good thing. And until then I can split my worry between the 2 of them.

[yoshimi]

Yes worms are easy to digest, and you can also do just a warm water soak, no honey. That seems to get thing moving also, at least for mine it does. And toads don’t pick a certain spot to “go” in. It’s when ever and where ever, gotta love the toads!!

Really. Such an odd duck. Upset about being in the water earlier, but when i woke up from my pre-work nap, there he was, soaking in his dish. He hopped out, I changed it, and now he's back in there. I want to be all "see?" on him but he's just too cute with those little eye bumps sticking up. Seemed like he was going to work something out before, but was sidetracked by rage over being out of tank and in a cup. As long as he's staying hydrated, it'll happen. I went pretty easy on his system this week.

[kueluck]

Moved the lima beans, which are starting to look more like limes now, back into the exo terra but in easy to clean form. Nothing is going to be planted until I get 3 negative fecal reports.


Rufus (one on right) showed up today, ate a few dusted roaches and just hangin' out at this point. Rufus is my favorite Bufo. Morph is just such.....well she's a Southern Toad and not as friendly. I love the Fowlers.

[yoshimi]

Moved the lima beans, which are starting to look more like limes now, back into the exo terra but in easy to clean form. Nothing is going to be planted until I get 3 negative fecal reports.


Rufus (one on right) showed up today, ate a few dusted roaches and just hangin' out at this point. Rufus is my favorite Bufo. Morph is just such.....well she's a Southern Toad and not as friendly. I love the Fowlers.

I only see 2, but there's something about a frog from the back (talkin bout the little one) that is just too cute. Have you gotten any negative fecals yet? Since I want to keep Banjo, I really should see if there's a herp vet nearby. Haven't gotten 2nd toad yet, this guy keeps claiming I'm the one he'll give her to, asked me when I was available to pick her up and I told him, but he never got back to me. I'm keeping on him anyway. Emailed him today to tell the news of my 1st litter of baby dubia roaches (FINALLY). Do you breed or just keep your red runners as feeders? I was beginning to think it'd never happen, that that all my preggo roaches would abort, so yesterday I purchased some, cuz he hasn't had roaches for a while, and it was a good deal. Then this morning, there they were. http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...tml#post165497 YAAYYY! I probably asked before, but have your frogs tried dubia? Banjo just loves them, and I'm too skittish to feed anything with "runner" in the name.

Didn't know toads could be "friendly"... The guy from craigslist claims his toad doesn't mind being handled, and I've heard of toads who would come up to the front of the tank for feeding or whatever, but Banjo ducks when he sees me. :/ that's ok, cuz he'll eat a cricket from my (clean) hand. And I would duck too, if a giant toad was looking in my window.

Banjo has the stripe down the back like a fowler's, but the spotted belly and warts of an eastern american. I'd have to get a good look at potential new toad to tell which it was. She (almost positive it's a she) was found in NH, and Fowler's can be found as far north as southern NH, so maybe. They can live together so it's ok either way.

The guy hasn't said anything about her hibernating, and Banjo's been awake, eating and growing, all winter long. Morph went down for the winter too? I know I have so many questions, (won't ask about the other little ones) but I just can't figure it. How are toads further south going to bed, and ones up in MA having insomnia. Maybe cuz it was Banjo's 1st winter, and he spent it inside, that he didn't know he was supposed to. Well that would just mean I keep him forever. Can't have him wandering out there alone in a blizzard next winter. I know he'd figure out what to do, but I just want to keep him anyway.

Your updates are always interesting. So they provoke a novel from me..

[kueluck]

There are 3 beans in the tank. I check all the time, just looking and starring at them. I'm off on Fridays so I spend most of the day watching tanks. 2 frog tanks, 1 toad tank, and 1 snake cage & attempt to clean the house, do laundry blah blah blah.

I don't have the fecal rechecked until March 22^nd, that's when the Vet wants them. The poop is looking a lot more normal now, and there isn't that spoiled rotten smell either.

I don't raise feeders, tried it, pain the butt, easier to just order from Feeder Source.

Get some good clear top photos of Banjo, then we can identify what kind of toad he is, besides being a cutie.

My toads usually go down for a few months in late fall, early winter even though I keep their lighting 12 on/ 12 off. Temps & humidity stay the same, guess they just can't fight their internal clock.

My Rufus has always been the most “friendly” toad out of the bunch. He will climb up into my hand, then climb my arm and just sit there. He's my boy and I love himdearly. During the summer I take them outside to hop around in the grass and during the cold days I give them a leg stretch down the hallway for exercise. They are housed in a 40 gallon breeder tank which gives them enough room, but I still like to let them get a good hopping work out.

I only see 2, but there's something about a frog from the back (talkin bout the little one) that is just too cute. Have you gotten any negative fecals yet? Since I want to keep Banjo, I really should see if there's a herp vet nearby. Haven't gotten 2nd toad yet, this guy keeps claiming I'm the one he'll give her to, asked me when I was available to pick her up and I told him, but he never got back to me. I'm keeping on him anyway. Emailed him today to tell the news of my 1st litter of baby dubia roaches (FINALLY). Do you breed or just keep your red runners as feeders? I was beginning to think it'd never happen, that that all my preggo roaches would abort, so yesterday I purchased some, cuz he hasn't had roaches for a while, and it was a good deal. Then this morning, there they were. http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...tml#post165497 YAAYYY! I probably asked before, but have your frogs tried dubia? Banjo just loves them, and I'm too skittish to feed anything with "runner" in the name.

Didn't know toads could be "friendly"... The guy from craigslist claims his toad doesn't mind being handled, and I've heard of toads who would come up to the front of the tank for feeding or whatever, but Banjo ducks when he sees me. :/ that's ok, cuz he'll eat a cricket from my (clean) hand. And I would duck too, if a giant toad was looking in my window.

Banjo has the stripe down the back like a fowler's, but the spotted belly and warts of an eastern american. I'd have to get a good look at potential new toad to tell which it was. She (almost positive it's a she) was found in NH, and Fowler's can be found as far north as southern NH, so maybe. They can live together so it's ok either way.

The guy hasn't said anything about her hibernating, and Banjo's been awake, eating and growing, all winter long. Morph went down for the winter too? I know I have so many questions, (won't ask about the other little ones) but I just can't figure it. How are toads further south going to bed, and ones up in MA having insomnia. Maybe cuz it was Banjo's 1st winter, and he spent it inside, that he didn't know he was supposed to. Well that would just mean I keep him forever. Can't have him wandering out there alone in a blizzard next winter. I know he'd figure out what to do, but I just want to keep him anyway.

Your updates are always interesting. So they provoke a novel from me..

[kueluck]

And this is just another reason why you should wash your hands after handling your frogs.


Jewels thought I was lunch.

[yoshimi]

Ouch. Nice shot tho.
I'm pretty certain Banjo is an Eastern American, he's got one or two warts per black spot. The other toad has more black on her so it's hard to tell, but she has the cranial ridge shape of an Eastern American. Banjo's is less defined. Not that it matters, any other type is unlikely to make it up here. And she's still somebody else's pet... for now. I'll see if I can snap a good pic later. I hate to use flash on him, so I usually take pics through tank walls with macro, and out of 10 I get maybe 4 decent shots.

[kueluck]

I’m taking Shadrack into a new Vet tomorrow. His fecal matter is still like pudding, which I was able to get a good fresh sample Saturday, AND found a Vet within 20 min that knows reptiles and amphibians. He’s still putting on weight, eating like crazy & acting normal, but the fecal has me concerned.

[Heatheranne]

Keep us posted. I'll be anxious to hear what the vet says. Good luck!

[kueluck]

You know I will!! Everything I'm going through now, I'm sure others in time will have the same issues and hope this gives them a heads-up. That is if they can find the thread. It's all about information.

Keep us posted. I'll be anxious to hear what the vet says. Good luck!

[Heatheranne]

Great! I'll be waiting to hear. Thanks! You are right. I hope lots of members read through. This is valuable education to keep in mind.

[kueluck]

Hook worms & pin worms. Vet gave me Panacur & Metronidazole. Both liquid form, I got the Panacur to stick to the roaches, but how in the HELL am I suppose to get the Metronidazole Suspension, that is like water into these little frogs?!?!?! I about killed Abe trying to get this mouth open so I just put it on his back and hope for the best. At this point I'm so frustrated with sick frogs I'm ready to just give up.

[Bolisnide]

Hook worms & pin worms. Vet gave me Panacur & Metronidazole. Both liquid form, I got the Panacur to stick to the roaches, but how in the HELL am I suppose to get the Metronidazole Suspension, that is like water into these little frogs?!?!?! I about killed Abe trying to get this mouth open so I just put it on his back and hope for the best. At this point I'm so frustrated with sick frogs I'm ready to just give up.

Hi!
Just popped in....
Mine also have hook and pin worms. And a protozoan intestinal infection.
I was also prescribed Panacur and Metronidazole. The panacur I have is in powder form, I dust once per week for four weeks. I was advised that if I do not sanitize the enclosure, you will need to continue to treat once per week indefinitely. As far the Metronidazole, I was advised to drop 2 drops on my baby white's (1.25 inches from snout to vent), 4 drops on my red-eye (2 inches s to v) and 6 drops for my adult white's (3 inches s to v). I was told to drop directly on the back of the frogs while they're sleeping.
My baby's poop is still very slimy, no improvements yet...
Good luck, they'll get better soon!

[kueluck]

He has me giving Panacur Suspension .02 ml to Shadrack /.01 ml to Meshack & Abendnego one dose now, another in 10 days.

Metronidzole Suspension .05 ml to Shadrack /.02 ml to Meshack & Abendnegoonce daily for the next 5 days.

Then do another fecal 3 days after the last dose, and he also said to continue to sanitize the tank.

So I wonder if I should keep the Ivomec or pitch it. When keeping meds, how do you know if they are still good? Or is this why you get new ones each year?

[yoshimi]

People meds, if stored properly (cool and dry) can be kept and used long after exp date. Baby/pet medicine is iffy cuz they can't tell us whether it's working and it's usually liquid which is much less stable.

Obviously, someone who knows about Ivomec should answer that... But if it was recently prescribed, I'd hang onto it, cuz new doc might go back to it. Should be able to call the vet with questions.

Frustrating, the whole thing.

Good instincts tho.

ps. your troubles here had me asking myself what I would do in similar situation, where would I go? Spent a good portion of the afternoon picking out a herp vet. Closest one is 45min away.