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    Ok, I know I haven't had them but what, a day and a half, but I'm already concerned about the leaders behavior, which is the big one. At this point I refer to them as The Three Amigos until sex is determined. So, like I said the leader does not hang out on top like most tree frogs do, stays more to the bottom of the viv. Eating well, soaking, I haven't seen poop yet from this one, but at Petco all poop was well formed. All three are very alert and OH MY GOSH, personality galore in each one. Could the viv be to heavily planted? Temps range in degrees from 68 on bottom to 80 on top, humidity ranges from 50-70%. I also don't see much jumping and hopping around, more like stalking through the undergrowth in a kinda creepy looking way. I'm used to gray & green tree frogs that hop all over the glass & leap from branch to plant, so is this normal for WTF? I also feed them in a separte container, no free running feeders in the viv. I hope to get them to tong feed once they get comfortable in their new home.

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    Gail, this thread has great information, Thanks for sharing.
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    Thanks Lynn. It's just so much easier to track things when I can keep it all on one thread, that is unless an emergency comes up (hope that doesn't happen). But I'm still waiting for someone to chime in on the staying close to the ground thing.
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    Names have been chosen.
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Size:  101.6 KBAnd I pulled a few of the plants from the viv, and Shadrack is starting to hang out on the upper part now on the plants and walls. I also offered him, and I say him because last night when I offered a wax worm by tongs he opened his mouth and made a sound like a baby crying, & did this 3 times??? He also made other little noises when I was in the viv. Not sure what it was all about, but when I set the worm on a leaf he went for it.
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    Having fecal done on all 3 Whites Tree Frog. They have smelly runny poop, now I got one of the those stress frog headaches while waiting to hear back from the Vet. I will NEVER buy critters from a pet store again, sticking with breeders only or ones I raise from tads. Also Frog II (AGTF) died last night, also had runny poop.
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    Hi Gail,
    Great thread! It looks like we may have white's from the same breeder? I'm in New Mexico, but also purchased mine from PetCo. And as you saw earlier, Freckles has little white spots similar to yours!
    I'm so happy to see that these babes are in your hands! So one of your AGTF had runny poo also? I'm so sorry to hear of his passing, so sad
    I'm sure whatever is going on, your frogs will be well cared for. I hope the prognosis is promising.
    Also, my white's (purchased from PetCo, looks like your babies) had one very small solid poo last night, but when I got home today and changed the water dish I found a small poo surrounded with white translucent mucous. I'm going to get a fecal done on her next BM.
    Best wishes with your frogs, they are so cute! And your toads are so cool, love the attitude!
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    I just got the results back from the Vet. The WTF are full of worms, bactieria, fungus and mites. I'm done with amphibians!! Headed back to Petco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kueluck View Post
    I just got the results back from the Vet. The WTF are full of worms, bactieria, fungus and mites. I'm done with amphibians!! Headed back to Petco.
    Oh dear! That's terrible
    Are you returning the frogs? Or are you just going to give them a piece of your mind?
    what do you mean fungus and mites? On their skin or internally?
    What is the treatment plan?
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    I stopped myself from going today, I probably would have ended up in jail if I went. I am going to talk to them and take along the report and I'm going to be treating the frogs. If I took them back they would just kill them. First of all I had to completely tear down the viv and throw away EVERYTHING, that was a chuck of money right there. They are in a 10 gallon with unbleached paper towel on the bottom, a water dish, one branch and one plastic plant that I can boil out each day. They are NOT happy campers right now. I'm not sure what the med are, it just says compounded medication. I give one drop on the back and repeat in 2 weeks, and everything is internal. Then we'll test fecal again on March 22. He pulled it from 2 fecal samples. I'm going to email them to find out exactly what “compounded” consists of. It smells real strong of chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kueluck View Post
    I stopped myself from going today, I probably would have ended up in jail if I went. I am going to talk to them and take along the report and I'm going to be treating the frogs. If I took them back they would just kill them. First of all I had to completely tear down the viv and throw away EVERYTHING, that was a chuck of money right there. They are in a 10 gallon with unbleached paper towel on the bottom, a water dish, one branch and one plastic plant that I can boil out each day. They are NOT happy campers right now. I'm not sure what the med are, it just says compounded medication. I give one drop on the back and repeat in 2 weeks, and everything is internal. Then we'll test fecal again on March 22. He pulled it from 2 fecal samples. I'm going to email them to find out exactly what “compounded” consists of. It smells real strong of chemicals.
    Oh Gail,
    I'm so sorry,
    You took them all to the vet?
    Or did fecals on all of them.
    I don't understand. Do don't you have the name of the medication?
    Let me know how things go.

    Just remember one thing. YOU have them.
    Think of the outcome if it were not you !
    Poor babies
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

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    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
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    Hi Gail. I'm so glad you're having them treated. I hope they stay strong for you. Thank goodness you took them home.
    It sure is a hassle to take apart, clean, and rebuild a tank, ugh! They should have to cover the vet bill and the medication cost, at least.

    Praying they hang on for you while you heal them.
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    Gail
    I agree, PetCo should pay the vet bill, you've had the darlings for only one week
    Thank everything that's good that these babies have you as their caregiver....
    I hope they pull through also. They're eating?
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    Lynn, did fecal on all of them and I think it's a combination of meds. The Vet is not an amphibian specialist, just a regular Vet, but he does call around for information and help. I'm going to contact them on Monday for a break down of what this stuff. I thought it would say on the bottle or I feel sad for the other babies that may still be at Petco.

    Well they made it through the night so the meds didn't kill them.

    Heather, the Vet bill isn't bad, it's the $180 I put into the tank that really (GRRRR) makes me mad. They gave me a special price on fecal tests, buy 2 get one free. And thanks for the prayer, it's pretty much in HIS hands now.

    Bolisnide, the two little lima beans are hunting and eating, Shadrack, well I haven't seen him eat yet, going to weigh him tomorrow.
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    Hi Gail,
    So glad to read they had a good night!!

    I know the $$$ It can get very expensive.
    I have to replace all my emergence meds! Yikes

    Please keep us posted.
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

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    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

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    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
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    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
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    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
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    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
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    Now I need some ideas for a non-planted tank. And yes, this WILL be updated.
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    Fecal results. I was trying to find more info on this hard to read list from the vet office and really can't find much. I asked for a detailed list of the results to take to Petco, but what I'm trying to decipher from the Dr's handwriting is this: Strongyles (vanuvc), Mites, Giardia like protozoans. Over the phone he said something about fungal and bacterial, but nothing mentioned on the handwritten list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kueluck View Post
    Fecal results. I was trying to find more info on this hard to read list from the vet office and really can't find much. I asked for a detailed list of the results to take to Petco, but what I'm trying to decipher from the Dr's handwriting is this: Strongyles (vanuvc), Mites, Giardia like protozoans. Over the phone he said something about fungal and bacterial, but nothing mentioned on the handwritten list.
    Can you take pic / writing.
    Heather and I are very used to reading MD's "messy" handwriting!
    Do this ONLY if you can keep doc's name private, though!

    Don't know ---just throwing some stuff out there:
    Nematodes or Rhabdias (strongyloid worms) ?
    mites (Trombiculids) ?
    It these are some of the bugs they have. My goodness - they are sick little babies !!!!!
    Once they get these bugs---- their immune system is so depressed the fungal stuff is secondary !

    I'm so glad you have them !!!!
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Yes , I think she is treating what I posted above. I think???? - try my best

    Giardia, worth reading
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    Gail, use gloves, good hand-washing !!!!!!!

    Were the these guys ever kept w/ any wild caught frogs?
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    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    I don't know, they told me they were c/b frogs but I highly doubt that considering their condition. And yes, I've been washing hands and using disposable gloves. I will NEVER buy from a pet store again, only reputable breeders.
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