First Pacman

[Sir Mitchel]

The little guy/gal has chosen not to eat yet. Having only been a couple days, I'm not too concerned. I've done my best to minimize any stressors that may be affecting him. Temperature is now stable and correct. Still trying to find the sweet spot for humidity, but it hasn't been fluctuating drastically -- just between 70-80%. Should I try to feed daily (in the evening of course), or should I try feeding every other day until it is ready to eat? I don't want to push food too aggressively and cause unnecessary stress. From what I've gathered, these frogs can be a little picky when it comes to eating -- do I have that correct?

[JIvoryII]

what are you offering and how are you offering it to him?

[Sir Mitchel]

Crickets, via tongs.

[JIvoryII]

you may have to just drop them in front of him. try night crawler pieces from tongs tho too.. it may be the tongs that are scaring him.. all my frog are tong fed but most breeder don't so he probably doesn't know whats going on.. and if it is a fantasy frog, the few I've had would never eat from tongs or in front of me for that matter. and offer nightly

[Sir Mitchel]

I'll give that another go. I initially offered them the old fashioned way, but he didn't seem at all interested. I'll keep trying and give it time.

As far as species identification, I'll get some better pictures up in the next day or two. He was advertised as an Ornata, so I took that for what it was worth. Fortunately I didn't/don't have a preference for a particular species.

[JIvoryII]

I'm thinking more and more its a cranwell and it should eat soon now that temps are good and such... We've decided to make a vid on tong feeding soon cuz typing it out is a pain and can be interpreted many ways.. seeing gives a better grasp especially when its a frog that's not to keen on the idea of the tongs.. I'll have to see if I have any new froglets that are ready to start, I think there may be one or two just about done absorbing their tails and I have a cornuta or two that can be a pain at times about taking and eatting their worms

[TeeRiddle]

I'll give that another go. I initially offered them the old fashioned way, but he didn't seem at all interested. I'll keep trying and give it time.

As far as species identification, I'll get some better pictures up in the next day or two. He was advertised as an Ornata, so I took that for what it was worth. Fortunately I didn't/don't have a preference for a particular species.

Very beautiful frog!

I'm very glad the second UTH worked well for you. When I added one to the side of my terrarium it didn't make much of a change in temps. Now I'm wondering if the UTH, or temp gauge is working properly lol.

I also have a Fantasy (C. cranwelli X C. cornuta) and he either does not like tongs or hasn't gotten used to them yet. As JIvory mentioned, I have to drop feeders in front of him and "hide away" to watch. After 30 seconds or so he will raise up after detecting some food moving around then snatches them up when they get near. Carefully break the hind legs off crickets to make them easier for your Pac to catch (awesome tip offered by GrifTheGreat).

As for night crawlers, I cut them into 1-1/2 pieces and place them about a half-inch in front of him with the tongs. Once the worm starts to wiggle a bit he starts lurching for it. Make sure to dust feeders with a good calcium powder with vitamin D3 every other feeding and dust with a multivitamin powder once per week, but not on the same day as a calcium dusting (another awesome tip I learned from GrifTheGreat). RepCal is a popular calcium powder and Herptivite for multivitamins.

There's also Repashy Calcium Plus that offers a good balance of calcium and essential vitamins.

Hope this helps!

Also, I've noticed on some websites that sale reptiles and amphibians that all Pacs for sale are listed as C. ornata, even the cranwellies. Not sure why.

[GrifTheGreat]

Very beautiful frog!

I'm very glad the second UTH worked well for you. When I added one to the side of my terrarium it didn't make much of a change in temps. Now I'm wondering if the UTH, or temp gauge is working properly lol.

I also have a Fantasy (C. cranwelli X C. cornuta) and he either does not like tongs or hasn't gotten used to them yet. As JIvory mentioned, I have to drop feeders in front of him and "hide away" to watch. After 30 seconds or so he will raise up after detecting some food moving around then snatches them up when they get near. Carefully break the hind legs off crickets to make them easier for your Pac to catch (awesome tip offered by GrifTheGreat).

As for night crawlers, I cut them into 1-1/2 pieces and place them about a half-inch in front of him with the tongs. Once the worm starts to wiggle a bit he starts lurching for it. Make sure to dust feeders with a good calcium powder with vitamin D3 every other feeding and dust with a multivitamin powder once per week, but not on the same day as a calcium dusting (another awesome tip I learned from GrifTheGreat). RepCal is a popular calcium powder and Herptivite for multivitamins.

There's also Repashy Calcium Plus that offers a good balance of calcium and essential vitamins.

Hope this helps!

Also, I've noticed on some websites that sale reptiles abs amphibians that all Pacs for sale are listed as C. ornata, even the cranwellies. Not sure why.

The reason most places label the frogs as Ornates is because 1, Ornates are well sought after by a lot of keeper and are the most popular of the Ceratophrys species. 2, Whoever labeled the frogs species has no clue how to identify the species of the frog so they label them incorrectly. Key examples are chain stress like Petsmart and Petco, but occasionally we can take advantage of such misinformation as Petco and Petsmart sometimes have Ornates for sale for $15.00 because they don't sell them for their true $30.00 and up value.

[Sir Mitchel]

Very beautiful frog!

Make sure to dust feeders with a good calcium powder with vitamin D3 every other feeding and dust with a multivitamin powder once per week, but not on the same day as a calcium dusting (another awesome tip I learned from GrifTheGreat). RepCal is a popular calcium powder and Herptivite for multivitamins.

Thanks for the praise.

Yes, I have both of the RepCal supplements you mentioned.