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    aquamentus11
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    Just wondering if anyone has ever had experience with a frog's eyes growing at different rates. I have a 2-3 month old Polypedates dennysi who was doing absolutely beautifully until about 2 weeks ago when I noticed that his left eye was protruding less than the right. The left pupil also tends to stay more contracted in comparison to the right unless he's in almost complete darkness. This would normally suggest a neuro issue, but it doesn't seem to affect his hunting since he eats 3-5 crickets/night. I've tried opthalmic multiantibiotic ointment without effect, but it never looked cloudy or in any other way infected to begin with. The eye just plain looks smaller. I alternate every night between reptivite and Ca2+ and he's grown half an inch in a little over a month so it shouldn't be a nutritional thing. I provide UVB 12h a day, temps range between 70 and 80F, humidity between 50 and 80%. I use paper towel for substrate for the time being. Any ideas? Here are pics from last week, it looks even more evident now. I have a vet appointment for Saturday, but I'm not confident that a vet will know much about this.

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    here is the affected eye. the pupil is not as round now: it resembles a smaller version of the right pupil, but tends to remain less dilated.
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    i'll get a better pic of the discrepancy tonight, but notice the difference in size and protrusion. this is much more exaggerated now.

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    I would have a vet check him out. Not sure what it could be.

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    you're the only one who ever helps me lol we'll see what she says on saturday. as an aside, never offer phoenix worms. i tried my little guy on a very small one just now and he looks like he wants to puke. their skins are too tough i think. i always pierce them before i feed them to anything, but the lack of large teeth in frogs doesn't help things. poor guy, i hope he gets it out: he looks so uncomfortable. what a cruel owner i am.

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    Sorry, I hope he is okay!

    Yes, those pheonix worm are beastly!
    I purchased some a while back for my red eyes and ended up feeding them to the birds.
    There is so much conflicting information written about them.

    Please, let us know how you make out.
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    so yours ended up ok after eating them? i definitely will let you know.

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    Frogs are capable of retracting the eye, it's where they squish the prey with as well.
    When looking inside the mouth you'll see the bumps from the eyes as well.
    Might be it is somewhat irritated or something like that.
    Personally i don't see anything disturbing, but you might wan't to shoot the question to a specialized vet like blueisallyouneed suggested already.
    Normally when something is wrong with the eye, like infection, the frog pulls it's inner eyelid over the eye, making it look somewhat thick and milky.

    For the part of spitting out food.
    It's something i see with lots of frogs.
    Mostly when you just acquire a frog that has had little variaty in food,
    they need to "taste" particular insects a couple of times first,
    same thing with juveniles.
    It looks like they are horrified by the taste,
    but if you keep offering the food source from time to time they will eventualy eat it without spitting it out.
    In some cases i even saw a frog let it's tongue fall out with the insect attached and scrape it off with the front feet.
    No idea what it is exactly causing them to do so, but they will get used to it.
    All of my frogs big enough eat phoenix worms without any problems, don't even pierce them on front hand.
    The horror stories of live insects eating out of the frog or ending up in the stool are just BS.
    Frogs also have gastric acid, pretty darn insect coming out of that alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesleybrouwer View Post
    Frogs are capable of retracting the eye, it's where they squish the prey with as well.
    When looking inside the mouth you'll see the bumps from the eyes as well.
    Might be it is somewhat irritated or something like that.
    Personally i don't see anything disturbing, but you might wan't to shoot the question to a specialized vet like blueisallyouneed suggested already.
    Normally when something is wrong with the eye, like infection, the frog pulls it's inner eyelid over the eye, making it look somewhat thick and milky.

    For the part of spitting out food.
    It's something i see with lots of frogs.
    Mostly when you just acquire a frog that has had little variaty in food,
    they need to "taste" particular insects a couple of times first,
    same thing with juveniles.
    It looks like they are horrified by the taste,
    but if you keep offering the food source from time to time they will eventualy eat it without spitting it out.
    In some cases i even saw a frog let it's tongue fall out with the insect attached and scrape it off with the front feet.
    No idea what it is exactly causing them to do so, but they will get used to it.
    All of my frogs big enough eat phoenix worms without any problems, don't even pierce them on front hand.
    The horror stories of live insects eating out of the frog or ending up in the stool are just BS.
    Frogs also have gastric acid, pretty darn insect coming out of that alive
    ok, good. we'll see how he handled digesting it. i really don't want to feed meal worms because of the chitin and how small he is, but i also would like to offer some variety to his diet. one of the phoenix worms hatched a few weeks ago and i put the fly in with him. he apparently ate it because it's not there anymore... maybe i'll try some pieces of earthworm.

    i knew about the retraction with swallowing, etc. and the membranes have never been pulled up other than at normal times (sleeping, etc.) actually, the eye has never appeared cloudy or injured, but who knows what goes on in there when i'm not around. maybe it's a little bit retracted, yet not to the point at which the membrane would come into play.

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    strangest finding to date this morning. i turned on the fluorescent lamp while he was dozing right underneath it (as he usually does unless he's hunting). his left eye was facing me and i noticed white light shining down through the cartilage that usually overlies the top of the eyeball. there was a gap between this cartilage and the eyeball itself. it looked like the eye was slightly retracted because he was asleep and that (since the left eyeball is so small) it was falling into the orbit! I had to get a closer look so i took him out, but he woke up and the eye went back out to its wakeful position. very bizarre, but like i keep saying, he's active, eating, feisty and growing rapidly everywhere else. i doubt the vet will be able to help with this one: she's does exotics and reptiles, but that doesn't mean that she's a reptile/amphibian specialist. i've looked for specialists, but there aren't any in this area. does anyone know of any that i could maybe call or e-mail? it's an interesting case.

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