Question about green apples

[GrifTheGreat]

Its generally frowned upon elsewhere in herpretoculture, but the DM Fantasy Frog was created to fill a need for frogs that had Cornuta features without Cornuta problems. I just recently got my first Fantasy Frog and its awesome. Fortunately we're starting to see more and more success with people breeding captive bred Cornuta babies, but seeing as to how the Fantasy Frog doesn't have health defects and deformities, why not keep it going.
I don't see the point in breeding these green apples, especially if they commonly have problems. Obviously it just doesn't work. If there aren't any problems keeping Caatingas, and Green Apples look so much like Caatingas, whats the point? Is it a hybrid just for the sake of a hybrid?
Personally I'd rather just have a nice Samurai Blue or a lime green albino Cranwell, at least I know its mouth wont fall off.

We should all start putting the word out on these defects, so that people hopefully stop making these frogs.

Sam Blues and Lime Greens can still have problems. From my understanding a lot of the Sam Blues have issues from way too much line breeding. I happen to have one now that has Scoliosis. Plus these are definitely not natural Cranwellies in my opinion. Nowhere on any of the true blood Ceratophrys is there Blue coloring or even seafoam greene at least not in any of the 8 known species. Clearly something else at work here.

[motiszm]

Nowhere on any of the true blood Ceratophrys is there Blue coloring or even seafoam greene at least not in any of the 8 known species. Clearly something else at work here.

Anyone have any info on how the samurai guys originated the blue line?

[mikesfrogs]

The blue line ornates? Selective breeding. Same with all of the other morphs.

See the blue line female in my avatar?

[motiszm]

The blue line ornates? Selective breeding. Same with all of the other morphs. See the blue line female in my avatar?

I guess I wanted to know if the beginning individuals were already pretty blue, or if it was really low expression at first and took many generations to get them to the way they are now?

[mikesfrogs]

Not many people know the answer to that one.

[Ra]

Sam Blues and Lime Greens can still have problems. From my understanding a lot of the Sam Blues have issues from way too much line breeding. I happen to have one now that has Scoliosis. Plus these are definitely not natural Cranwellies in my opinion. Nowhere on any of the true blood Ceratophrys is there Blue coloring or even seafoam greene at least not in any of the 8 known species. Clearly something else at work here.

I had assumed it was some kind of slight melanism, lacking all that yellow pigment making them look blue.

[GrifTheGreat]

I had assumed it was some kind of slight melanism, lacking all that yellow pigment making them look blue.

Not quite. Most melanistic animals are half albino like the Albino Cranwelli which has red or pink eyes like True albinos do, but are yellowish in color with reds and greens and lacking black pigments. Sam Blues do not have red or pink eyes. Their eyes are normal.