Help With Tree Frogs

[NeoLover]

Hello I'm new here to the frog forums and am in need of tree frog help.

I have brought this up on the herpcenter forums and gotten some good help, but sadly only a handful of people there know about frogs. So I've brought it here.

I have 2 tree frogs. (1 Hyla Versicolor, the other Hyla Cinera) that have been acting under the weather lately.

Rundown of symptoms

Leaf (H. Cinera)- has small white spots on her back (only like 5 total), has some trouble swallowing crickets, sits in the tank corner all day, is slightly thin, her legs all bend inward at the last joint (due to past MBD)

Neo (H. Versicolor)- is extremely thin, the bottom half of his right eye is glossy (comes and goes), has trouble swallowing crickets

I am guessing stress/possible parasites.

They are being taken to the vet within the next 10 days.

Currently Neo is being housed in a 10 gallon aquarium and Leaf in a 20. The housing is sub-par as I'm aware of. But now I'm getting a 55 gallon and putting in a cage divider. So I have a few questions.

First off, I need to know how to set up the new enclosure properly. (Please be descriptive)

Secondly, feeder items. They seem to have a difficult time with the crickets (I have to rip off the legs for them to eat at all). Are there any other/better feeder items for them.

And last off. My brothers are constantly making lots of noise and freaking out Neo and Leaf (I'm 13 years old for future reference.) I've heard that honey baths can help to de-stress frogs and was wondering on the water-to-honey ratio and approximate temps for the bath.
This and any other help would be greatly thanked.
From,
~Neo, Leaf, and Willow

[NeoLover]

[kmichael55]

Not sure on the symptoms, but sounds like you're on the right track. I would reduce stress as much as possible, limit handling to next to never, move them to a room your brothers are playing in less, perhaps an office or your bedroom (if you don't share )

I've heard on here that H. versicolor love moths. I've been trapping them off the front porch light and adding them to her tank. (Doesn't work so well if someone in your family is skittish around moths lol as there are a few escapees every time.)

Have you tried the glass bowl method of feeding? My frogs won't eat anything I shove in their faces, I usually just release bugs into the tank and they get them on their own once I stop staring. How are you feeding them?

[NeoLover]

I have to handle them for feeding. (I move them into an empty plastic cage, keeps crickets from hiding and keeps them from ingesting the bedding)
They are in my room currently but my brothers room is right across the hall.

I might try moths. (No skiddish people here.) I raise crickets, butterworms, phoenixworms, silkworms, and superworms for my bearded dragon. I've raised slugs and wood louse in the past for the American/Fowler's Toads I used to raise.

I've tried to use a dish but the feeders always escape.

(Lol I'm super exited to decorate the new cage. My mom won a 50$ gift card to a local pet store and said she'd give me another 30$ or so beyond that. I'm going all out on cage decorations.)

[Rae]

instead of removing them for feeding.... try the glass bowl trick XD ...I don't know how or why but crickets cant or wont jump out of it. I feed mine each with forceps now because the one frog would hop in and get all the crickets before the other, but used to use the glass bowl and it worked amazing. There are other articles in this site about it as well... its how I learned about it.

Take a small glass bowl doesn't have to be clear, Id say and opening at least as wide as the bottom or bigger for ease of the frog climbing in and out. I used a small bowl about 1 to 1.5 inches high.... 4 inch diameter opening and 3 inch base... MUST BE GLASS and CLEAN and DRY... if its damp or littered with subtrate the crickets can climb out easier.

[NeoLover]

Lol Neo is so adorable

[NeoLover]

Ok I think I might try it. It should be easier for me cuz they don't share a cage. I'll get one ASAP.
(By the way, I've read that earthworms are a good feeder for tree frogs. Is thus true?)

[Rae]

no idea, I"ve always been told on here crickets as a staple diet, moths and flys work, and meal worms as a treat once in a while but not often as they can make fat frogs XD

[NeoLover]

Hmm Neo's belly seems really round and distended. But I can see his hips and spine jutting out? Ok now that's really weird to me.

[Rae]

anytime you have a visual issue its always best to post pics for better helpful advice... the clearer and more angles the better too XD

[UncleChester]

Ok I think I might try it. It should be easier for me cuz they don't share a cage. I'll get one ASAP.
(By the way, I've read that earthworms are a good feeder for tree frogs. Is thus true?)

Earthworms are a terrific feeder. One of my H. versicolor and my H. cinerea eat primarily earthworms. Not all frogs readily accept them, some earthworms apparently give off a foul taste that's, well, foul tasting.

Sorry I can't give any advice on their ailments, but great to hear a vet visit is in the near future and I hope all turns out well.

For the tank setup, there are plenty of examples in the vivarium section for you to browse through and get ideas. Here are a couple of mine:

http://www.frogforum.net/vivarium-te...-enclosed.html
http://www.frogforum.net/vivarium-te...-enclosed.html

I'd have to ask though, why not skip the divider and have the 55 gallon tank for one frog and remodel the 20 gallon for the other? There's no such thing as too much space for a frog as long as it can find its food and overall I'd prefer a 55 and a 20 over two 27.5 gallons stuck together. You could turn the 20 on its side to make it more suitable for a height loving tree frog.

[gwd]

Most of the worms you keep on hand for your beardie are good for frogs as well. Phoenix worms are a good staple worm. I have heard both good and bad about earthworms. Just be careful with them as to where you get them to ensure they dont have any bad chemicals on them from soil. Also with earth worms you might have to cut them up into segments small enough for the frog as they will not take them if they are to long/big. THey should still move for a little after they are cut up.
I would take the frogs to the vet if you think there might be something wrong. Your gut feeling is usually right and that is the only way to know for sure. Plus if medication is needed that is the only way to know for sure and get the correct med for them.

[Rae]

I was looking at this again ans you said both have issues swallowing crickets... how big are the ones you are feeding.... Rule of thumb is no longer than the width between the frogs eyes... could the crickets be too long/big?

Hello I'm new here to the frog forums and am in need of tree frog help.

I have brought this up on the herpcenter forums and gotten some good help, but sadly only a handful of people there know about frogs. So I've brought it here.

I have 2 tree frogs. (1 Hyla Versicolor, the other Hyla Cinera) that have been acting under the weather lately.

Rundown of symptoms

Leaf (H. Cinera)- has small white spots on her back (only like 5 total), has some trouble swallowing crickets, sits in the tank corner all day, is slightly thin, her legs all bend inward at the last joint (due to past MBD)

Neo (H. Versicolor)- is extremely thin, the bottom half of his right eye is glossy (comes and goes), has trouble swallowing crickets

I am guessing stress/possible parasites.

They are being taken to the vet within the next 10 days.

Currently Neo is being housed in a 10 gallon aquarium and Leaf in a 20. The housing is sub-par as I'm aware of. But now I'm getting a 55 gallon and putting in a cage divider. So I have a few questions.

First off, I need to know how to set up the new enclosure properly. (Please be descriptive)

Secondly, feeder items. They seem to have a difficult time with the crickets (I have to rip off the legs for them to eat at all). Are there any other/better feeder items for them.

And last off. My brothers are constantly making lots of noise and freaking out Neo and Leaf (I'm 13 years old for future reference.) I've heard that honey baths can help to de-stress frogs and was wondering on the water-to-honey ratio and approximate temps for the bath.
This and any other help would be greatly thanked.
From,
~Neo, Leaf, and Willow

[Rae]

Frog Forum - Gray Tree Frog Care and Breeding this link is this sites care sheet for greys and I have been told to use it for American green as well.... make sure the temperature and humidity levels are accurate and I put a low watt UVA/UVB bulb it and that seemed to help mine.... they love sitting under it and seemed to be more energetic and increased appetite. I also have a group page open here for grays that has other helpful links on care. feel free to join and look at the helpful links post: http://www.frogforum.net/groups/grey...ree-frogs.html