Cody ate plastic decor

[froggycakes]

i have to agree my girlfriend and i were reading your post and she literally started crying. we hope all goes well for you and cody, keep us all updated

[DVirginiana]

I'm so sorry for you and your frog

For the 'surgery'... I've seen home surgeries successfully performed on goldfish using clove oil as an anesthetic. It's tricky, because clove oil is also used to euthanize frogs and fish. So you might not want to try that unless someone has any ideas for dosage. Just tossing ideas around. Sad as it is, I would recommend having some clove oil on hand anyway in case things start to go bad. Hopefully it won't come to that though.
It might be good to find a partner to help you. Maybe someone to hold the frog still and keep it from injuring itself so you can have both hands to work.


Good luck, and keep us posted! I don't post often, but I stalk the forum a lot and I've been watching this thread and sending you guys good vibes since it came up!

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm so sorry for you and your frog

For the 'surgery'... I've seen home surgeries successfully performed on goldfish using clove oil as an anesthetic. It's tricky, because clove oil is also used to euthanize frogs and fish. So you might not want to try that unless someone has any ideas for dosage. Just tossing ideas around. Sad as it is, I would recommend having some clove oil on hand anyway in case things start to go bad. Hopefully it won't come to that though.
It might be good to find a partner to help you. Maybe someone to hold the frog still and keep it from injuring itself so you can have both hands to work.


Good luck, and keep us posted! I don't post often, but I stalk the forum a lot and I've been watching this thread and sending you guys good vibes since it came up!

Clove oil kills frogs D.

[MeTree]

At this moment I really don't want to go into all the details, but Cody is no longer in any pain. After the extraction failed, I felt like there was too much potential internal damage. I decided it would be best for him if I take matters into my own hands, which I did humanely, you all can be certain. He will certainly be missed. RIP Cody.

I really appreciate the forum coming together and trying to help me get through this. You guys are all awesome.

[Ivan M]

At this moment I really don't want to go into all the details, but Cody is no longer in any pain. After the extraction failed, I felt like there was too much potential internal damage. I decided it would be best for him if I take matters into my own hands, which I did humanely, you all can be certain. He will certainly be missed. RIP Cody.

I really appreciate the forum coming together and trying to help me get through this. You guys are all awesome.

Damn that sucks, we know he is in a better place now, sincerely sorry for your lost.

[NatureLady]

RIP in Cody and sorry, again.

[DVirginiana]

Sorry to hear that Poor little guy. At least he had someone willing to really try for him.

Clove oil kills frogs D.

I know, the only reason I threw that out there was because I've seen it used to anesthetize fish for home-surgeries, even though it's typically used to euthanize fish as well. Does it effect frogs differently than fish for these purposes? Just wondering.. It'd be good to know.

[Ra]

So you took the advice of a few people on a forum of frog keepers inexperienced with veterinary care and decided to perform amateur surgery when you should have called a vet...

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm very sorry Stanton. RIP Cody.

I wish there was more we could have done. This is probably for the best. If the plant could not be extracted he would have surely died with much suffering. I very sorry

[IvoryReptiles]

So you took the advice of a few people on a forum of frog keepers inexperienced with veterinary care and decided to perform amateur surgery when you should have called a vet...

You know, it was a sad thing and to be real honest, most vets wouldn't have done much of anything.......even the supposed specialists in reptiles/amphibians.
I have noticed that you never have much advice to give unless it is in the form of criticism after the fact Ra. MeTree explained why a vet was not an option. MeTree reached out to us because it was the only option for them. Some of us can go to a vet with issues like this.....some of us even have vets available that would give it a shot. MeTree was asking for help where they thought they could get some advice from folks who may have had a similar experience........that is what the forum is for Ra.

[Ra]

I realize that, but it would have been wise to seek out other, more reliable information elsewhere. Nonetheless, I dont know what kind of procedure Metree attempted to perform, probably some type of endoscopy through the mouth. Im somewhat curious to know how the procedure was performed, when Metree is ready to discuss it.
I didnt say anything about going to a vet, I said to call one. I would highly recommend anyone call a vet before seeking out information on an internet forum. Internet forums are notorious for having alot of unreliable information. Vets will often give general advice over the phone and tell you what you can do and what your options are. I would even go ahead and call another vet, just for a second opinion, before I sought advice from any other place, especially an internet forum.

I think the best advice any frog or animal keeper can get in an emergency medical situation is to call a vet. I realize that he had no way of getting to a veterinarian, but a phone call wouldn't have hurt.

Stating that a vet "wouldnt do much of anything" even a reptile and amphibian specialist seems a little bit outrageous of a statement to make, and a very subjective one. I would hate to think new frog keepers will leave this forum thinking that seeking vet care is pointless or stupid.

[RobbyBobby]

Unfortunate event.
For anyone else who ever runs into this problem in the future, horned frogs will generally release anything in their grasp if they are submerged under water.

[GrifTheGreat]

Sorry to hear that Poor little guy. At least he had someone willing to really try for him.



I know, the only reason I threw that out there was because I've seen it used to anesthetize fish for home-surgeries, even though it's typically used to euthanize fish as well. Does it effect frogs differently than fish for these purposes? Just wondering.. It'd be good to know.

They use it to euthanize frogs not to perform surgery. A small amount will kill them. Their chemistry is different than fish.

[Ra]

They use it to euthanize frogs not to perform surgery. A small amount will kill them. Their chemistry is different than fish.

Its already been stated that its used as an anesthetic before the frogs are euthanized, but the side effect may be gastric prolapse therefore it wouldnt be the best option
The best option, as mentioned, would be MS-222, and if the frog falls too deeply into sleep during the procedure it can be partially revived by being rinsed in well oxygenated water.

[MeTree]

Thanks everyone for all your support! It really means a lot!

Ivan, I like your idea with the popsicle sticks. I have popsicle sticks similar to what you are talking about. I'll have to get some cleaned.

DVirginiana, I appreciate the post. I am aware that many people use Clove oil before they euthanize there fish. Usually, the Clove oil is only meant to put them to sleep, followed by another agent after they are asleep. I need to get some anyway to have on hand. I may look a little bit further into a water/clove solution.

Hopefully I can finish this one way or the other today. I almost think this is putting me through as much stress as my poor Cody.

[Eel Noob]

Poor frog. Doesn't look good at all. Not to be an *** or anything but are you afraid of the frog? Because if it was me I would of grabbed the plant with my fingers and if needed use the tweezer to pry it's mouth open to keep it from swallowing, wouldn't care if the frog bit my fingers in the process.

[Arie]

I don't know if you can get some, but when I was doing research for my thesis with fathead minnows, I had to anesthetize them using MS-222 or Tricaine Methanesulfonate (sometimes marketed as Finquel). Apparently this anesthetic is safe to use in leopard frogs as well. I'm not sure how pacman frog physiology compares, but I think the stuff is safe (in the proper dosage) for any cold-blooded critter. You basically mix up the solution in water, plunk them in the stuff, wait for them to fall asleep and then you are good to go. My minnows needed a solution of 185 micrograms/Litre while leopard frogs are usually dosed at 200 mg/L or less. It's a big risk, but if you've exhausted ALL other options, this might be a last-ditch effort...

Another possibility might be to massage it out? I know of someone who's axolotl swallowed some rocks that couldn't pass. The vet said surgery was not a viable option because of the damage it would cause. Likely the axie would not recover and so they were sent home. The person massaged the axolotl's belly to force the rocks upward. When the rocks were in view, they were able to reach in and pull them out.

This is a really sad situation and I really really hope Cody recovers!! My thoughts and prayers are with you!! Good luck!

[GrifTheGreat]

DO NOT PLACE A FREE PIECE OF POPSICKE STICK IN HIS MOUTH WITH NOYHING TO SECURE IT LEST HE SWALLOW IT AS WELL!!!! You need someone to assist you Stanton. You it would not be a good idea to just have a piece of popsicle stick sitting between his jaws. He could easily slap it down and possibly swallow it too. Have someone help open his mouth.

This will not be an easy task at all. Do your best to remove it with out harming him further. You're both in our thoughts.