HELP! Sick White's TF

[Tripe46]

The frog was fine last night when I fed it, and even this morning, now its lying on its back and I tried to move it and it did not like that very much. It is still breathing but kind of writhing around from time to time. It's the 4th so no vets are open! Legs look kind of red, I removed the other frog from the tank.

[BlueisallIneed]

Yea it looks pretty red in the pic, I am not sure what would cause this. I would call the vet tomorrow morning, I would flip him over and but him in a hospital tank. Sorry I am no help not sure what he could have. Has to be some sort of infection.

[frogged]

You have him on moss, he looks somewhat bloated. Impaction perhaps? Did you feed him on the moss?

Hospital tank, do a general cleaning on the original tank. In general, how is the other frog?

Toss out the moss or feed outside in the future.

[Tripe46]

You have him on moss, he looks somewhat bloated. Impaction perhaps? Did you feed him on the moss?

Hospital tank, do a general cleaning on the original tank. In general, how is the other frog?

Toss out the moss or feed outside in the future.

I have been reading a lot about moss and impaction, and since I fed them last night I'd say that most likely. It is definitely bloated, the other frog is fine however it is a good bit larger that then one pictured. I am going to tare down the tank today and rebuild, what shall I use over moss, just dirt? I originally started using the moss because the frogs were always covered in dirt.

Right now i have the frog in a tilted fly culture cup with some distilled water with a pinch of salt at the recommendations of a friend.

[Tripe46]

The culture cup is in the 18x18x24 that both frogs were housed in originally leaned up against a branch in case it wants to climb out. I called and left a message for the vet but chances are that I wont be able to get it seen until tomorrow. Hopefully it makes it that long.

[Tripe46]

Ok now there is a pinkish bubble emerging from its vent. See picture, any ideas?

[DonLisk]

I agree. Not much one can suggest besides a vet visit and a safe stress free place until the visit.

[Heatheranne]

How is your frog holding up? I'm glad you're going to the vet. Sorry I missed your post, I was at work. How was his belly after gently putting the herniated area back in? Did the swelling go down?

I agree with the above. It looks like an impaction / intestine obstruction. The honey helps them to pass the obstructing substance, if it is possible to pass. It also provides them with some "sugar", similar to the way a diabetic person would need if not eating, and hydrates them. Stay away from using distilled water. Use dechlorinated tap water or spring water for soaking. Distilled water is water with all minerals removed, and it actually pulls important nutrients out of the frog when soaking.

I would pick up some plain clear pedialyte solution. If it's an impaction or obstruction I would skip feeding him for about 2 to 3 days and do a 1:10 soak of 1 part plain pedialyte to 10 parts dechlorinated water solution, and soak him for 15 minutes each day. You can do the honey soaks too. I would do one in the morning and one in the evening to separate them a bit. Once his belly is completely back to it's normal size give him one more day of gut rest, then try very small pieces of earth worm or mushed up food, still following your calcium schedule. Reptaboost works nicely too. It's a bit like baby formula for amphibians, and works nicely.

Good luck at the vet! I hope your baby pulls through!

[Tripe46]

Just got back from the vet. It seems that it is not impaction after all. The frog pooped when the vet picked it up, it was really watery. The fecal exam came back negative for parasites. They gave it some sort of dewormer orally while we were there and sent me home with antibiotics to apply twice daily. The vet said that the frog looks septic, I said that I was not optimistic based on the looks and demeanor of the frog, and the vet sort of agreed but I hoping it gets better!!! All said and done it was $130! However it's only fair to give the frog the best shot I can at survival. I have attached a pic of the receipt in case anyone has any comments on what treatments were given.

[mrzoggs]

i wish you the best of luck. maybe your frog pooped out the impaction already? idk... you can also email dr frye and let him know all the information you have given us. he has saved many frogs including mine just from a few simple emails. if you do not already have his information it is posted on this forum. I wish you the best of luck and i have a lot of respect for someone who doesnt mind taking their amphibian to the vet when help is needed. Once again i wish you and your frog the best of luck. If i think of any other useful information i will surely let you know.

[Tripe46]

Unfortunately the frog has died. It was not breathing this morning when I went to check on it. The vet recommended that I ditch everything that is in the cage, clean it and start over before putting the healthy frog back in. I'm guessing everyone here would agree? Is there any way to save the wood pieces?

[Tripe46]

Also what about the hydroton (clayballs) that are under the screen and soil? Can I clean those and re use?

[NatureLady]

I had two do the upside down thing and then they passed within 24-48 hours after not being able to right themselves. I ditched EVERYTHING, plants & wood pieces just to be safe. Sorry for your loss!!!

[Tripe46]

i wish you the best of luck. maybe your frog pooped out the impaction already? idk... you can also email dr frye and let him know all the information you have given us. he has saved many frogs including mine just from a few simple emails. if you do not already have his information it is posted on this forum. I wish you the best of luck and i have a lot of respect for someone who doesnt mind taking their amphibian to the vet when help is needed. Once again i wish you and your frog the best of luck. If i think of any other useful information i will surely let you know.

Just an FYI, I did contact Dr. Frye and he responded promptly, thanks for the tip!

[mrzoggs]

Just an FYI, I did contact Dr. Frye and he responded promptly, thanks for the tip!

no problem at all. good luck to you and your frogs.

[Heatheranne]

I'm sorry your frog passed .

I would throw away the hydroballs and get new. You can you a 10% bleach and water solution to clean everything but you absolutely have to be sure to rinse everything completely.

My thoughts on the wood... If it were me I'd toss it. You could, however, soap scrub and rinse it thoroughly and then bake it in the oven at 350'F for an hour. I would be leery though if you have any reason to believe the frog had an infection.

[DonLisk]

So sorry to hear.

As for cleaning, You can rinse and then bake the hydroballs at about 225 degrees F to dry them out to reuse. Keep an eye on anything you bake. Check regularly so nothing catches fire while in your oven.
Wood is the same and you can soak it in bucket of water with some bleach and then scrub down and bake.
Substrate, just toss, although you can go through the trouble of rinsing and baking, its not worth the effort.

again, sorry for your loss :-(