just water as substrate

[mason12]

I keep my pacmen in a tank with just water up to half of their body.

so easy to clean and see your frogs.

I used to use wet coco fiber but didnt like all the mess.

what do you all think about this?

[pac]

Pacman are not good swimmers so u can use moss ,papertowel or eco earth that what I use for my breeders and babies

[pyxieBob]

don't use moss. it can cause impaction easier than you might think.


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[pac]

You can use it for adults but not for babys because they like to hunt and are clumsy eaters

[mikesfrogs]

Where have you been bobby. Send me a message with your number. I lost if

[mason12]

I like just straight up water nothin else

[GrifTheGreat]

You can use it for adults but not for babys because they like to hunt and are clumsy eaters

I'm going to have to agree with Bobby Pac. Moss is bad for all ages of Pacman. The adults are not immune to impaction. Especially not moss since they can eat very large mouthfuls of it and it WILL block the intestinal tract. Its not fun pulling a large piece of moss out of your frogs vent believe me.

[pac]

I kow but I never had a problem with I mix it with eco earth

[Wicked frogs]

i would have some dirt in there all water cant be good for it plus it has no place to borrow

[GrifTheGreat]

Well there are several keepers that have their Pacs on just water. One serious problem that can occur is that they can lose the use of their legs because they have nothing to grip and if the try to burrow or hop they slip on the bottom of the tank. This can weaken the muscles in their legs and cause them to eventually lose the use of their legs. Not something that you want to happen.

Not only this, but they don't feel secure in a tank with just water with nowhere to hide. This is stressful and stress is the number one killer of CB frogs.

[mason12]

Well there are several keepers that have their Pacs on just water. One serious problem that can occur is that they can lose the use of their legs because they have nothing to grip and if the try to burrow or hop they slip on the bottom of the tank. This can weaken the muscles in their legs and cause them to eventually lose the use of their legs. Not something that you want to happen.

Not only this, but they don't feel secure in a tank with just water with nowhere to hide. This is stressful and stress is the number one killer of CB frogs.

how do you know this information? has this happened to you with the legs

[mason12]

Here is some pics of the 2 of them


the big one is King Louis, he is Ornate, 6". the lil guy is Bubba 3"

[GrifTheGreat]

Here is some pics of the 2 of them


the big one is King Louis, he is Ornate, 6". the lil guy is Bubba 3"

I have 6 Pacman Frogs. Water is not their natural choice of living conditions. They are ambush predators that burrow into the soil and leaf litter and await prey to pass by as well as hiding from potential predators. Anyone who has kept frogs knows how bad stress affects them. They can be fine one day and dead the next just like that.

If you've ever seen a Pacman that has been kept on water with nothing to grip for its entire life you can see the frogs legs will be positioned outward instead of tucked beneath like they should be. They start to have trouble eventually and the muscles will weaken. Since yours probably haven't been kept that way their entire life then during crucial development stages in their lives have already passed so they didn't develops the position of their legs incorrectly. If you keep them on just water they need a textured bottom or something to grip that can't be accidentally ingested.

The information I posted came from researching although I do not remember the specific reference to provide for you. You can plainly see the difference in the position of their hind legs between those kept on substrate or have a textured bottom beneath the water to grip than those who do not. Waters buoyancy also affects leg strength since it makes you feel as if you weigh less and Pac don't really swim around so not much exercise going on like doing laps in their tank

[mason12]

maybe i think im gonna put a tub of eco earth in there

[mason12]

so is living in water detrimental to their health?

[GrifTheGreat]

so is living in water detrimental to their health?

If the frog is stressed, they develops leg strength issues, or you do not keep up with water changes and filtration as well as water temp being too low then yes. A lot of breeders keep their frogs on just shallow water or very moist paper towels because it is easily cleaned as they are strapped for time, but they change water and clean everyday with well over 150 frogs not to mention froglets and tadpoles.

Stress and going out syndrome would be the main problems to look for at this point. If the water has a buildup of ammonia it will cause the frog to his out which is a disease they get from stagnant fowl water of untreated water that has chemicals still in it. They will stop eating, become bloated, and be very lethargic. Talk to a couple breeders on here like JIvoryII(Jim) and IvoryReptiles( Jess) They are husband and wife who own a breeding business called Ivory Reptiles of course . Also talk to Mike of Mike's Phat Frogs. They can help you with keeping your frogs in water.

[GrifTheGreat]

maybe i think im gonna put a tub of eco earth in there

This can work. You'll have very dirty water though everything they desire they need a bath

[arielgasca420]

Here is some pics of the 2 of them


the big one is King Louis, he is Ornate, 6". the lil guy is Bubba 3"

I love the colors on yours. mine is ornate and he is more of a chocolate color...
I would suggest providing him with a small amount of eco earth in a small dish just to see which lifestyle he prefers. my pacman personally loves to burrow, like most. Sometimes the only thing you can see are two evil eyes staring at you in the dirt. I love it!
try the eco earth and see what happens.
the best is half water half land.

[mason12]

Thanks! yeah i might put in a tub of eco earth

[JIvoryII]

I would say... put the eco in the tank and a tub of water into the eco... easier to change a tub of water daily the the other way around also its easier for the frogs to get in and out of the tub of water as the tub gives a little more grip then the glass..

on a side note I see both frogs in that tank ( at least it looks that way ) not a good idea.. I keep one frog per container except for breeding and ive had accidents with just those times together.