just water as substrate

[mason12]

Thanks! yeah i might put in a tub of eco earth

[JIvoryII]

I would say... put the eco in the tank and a tub of water into the eco... easier to change a tub of water daily the the other way around also its easier for the frogs to get in and out of the tub of water as the tub gives a little more grip then the glass..

on a side note I see both frogs in that tank ( at least it looks that way ) not a good idea.. I keep one frog per container except for breeding and ive had accidents with just those times together.

[mason12]

Im still deciding what to do i had the eco earth before but it stunck sooo bad and was harder to clean. And I know that the big guy could eat the little one but they've been getting along fine and i feed them every 2 days so they are always full

[GrifTheGreat]

Im still deciding what to do i had the eco earth before but it stunck sooo bad and was harder to clean. And I know that the big guy could eat the little one but they've been getting along fine and i feed them every 2 days so they are always full

Good Eco Earth Coco fiber smells like fresh dirt. I don't understand why people keep placing 2 cannibalistic frog together living in the same tank and actually believe that nothing bad will happen. If I were you I'd listen to Jim and delegate them immediately. No good can come from them being housed together.

[Ra]

I have used just water for Pacs before but not as a permanent arrangement. I kept babies and juveniles this way because it was the easiest method, but that was also ten years ago and these days I know better. Pacman frogs dont live in shallow water, they like to burrow. Modelling the terrarium enviroment to reflect their natural lifestyle and encourage natural behavior is best. Today I would at least use moistened paper towel, they can kick it around, dig in it, keep moist and feel hidden all in a little bit of paper towel.
Water also dirties up real fast. I know of an African bullfrog that was kept in shallow water, and the owner neglected to change the water for a week and the frog died from the toxicity.
Despite concerns with swallowing moss, I keep all of my Pacman Frogs and Fantasy Frog on moss. It retains moisture just fine and since I feed my Frogs by hand on a smooth plastic surface outside of the enclosure, never had a problem. Unless they decide to start eating the moss when Im not around (something I wouldnt put past a Pyxie or Budgetts Frog) Im not concerned about impaction risks. But again this is only because I feed them outside of the enclosure.
I dislike the coco fiber as a substrate because it leaves the frogs looking so dirty all of the time. If I were going to use a soil substrate I would probably use an organic topsoil mixed with a bit of sand. Of course, if I were feeding them in the cage, I wouldnt use the sand. Is there an impaction risk with natural soil?

[Ra]

I don't understand why people keep placing 2 cannibalistic frog together living in the same tank and actually believe that nothing bad will happen. If I were you I'd listen to Jim and delegate them immediately. No good can come from them being housed together.

Ive read (in a book by the Bartlett's) that two to three similarly sized ADULT Frogs can be kept in a large (30-40 gallon aquarium size) enclosure, so long as they were all similarly sized and werent competeting for space. I kept two specimens in a display tank that were the same size before, in the past. Its not something I would risk today. But keeping a 6" frog with a 3" frog is just stupid, especially since they can eat food items about 50% of their own size. Im sure its just a matter of time before that little guy gets gulped. I also think those front faced exo terra terrariums like the one in the picture, which are taller than they are wide, are less than useful for a Pacman Frog, those terrariums are designed for arboreal creatures. Its really a waste of space and of a kind of nice terrarium that would be better suited to some little tree frogs, and the space that the Pacman frogs do have to occupy is extremely small.

[Deac77]

Ive read (in a book by the Bartlett's) that two to three similarly sized ADULT Frogs can be kept in a large (30-40 gallon aquarium size) enclosure, so long as they were all similarly sized and werent competeting for space. I kept two specimens in a display tank that were the same size before, in the past. Its not something I would risk today. But keeping a 6" frog with a 3" frog is just stupid, especially since they can eat food items about 50% of their own size. Im sure its just a matter of time before that little guy gets gulped.

Ra ive read the same but i still wouldn't keep even same sized pac's together we had 2 6in females in a tank at the store (pet store i worked at before petsmart) and they both ended up dying because one tried to eat the other and suffocated as bad as it sounds i was glad when it happened because i had warned my boss for several weeks prior and he said i was just being paranoid needless to say i got a apology after complained about the lose of 2 frogs we shouldn't have lost.

[mason12]

Im gonna keep them together, or try and rade them both for one bigger one.

But anyway I put back together my old terrarium setup and added the eco earth again

I cleaned the water after the picture was taken

[GrifTheGreat]

Ive read (in a book by the Bartlett's) that two to three similarly sized ADULT Frogs can be kept in a large (30-40 gallon aquarium size) enclosure, so long as they were all similarly sized and werent competeting for space. I kept two specimens in a display tank that were the same size before, in the past. Its not something I would risk today. But keeping a 6" frog with a 3" frog is just stupid, especially since they can eat food items about 50% of their own size. Im sure its just a matter of time before that little guy gets gulped. I also think those front faced exo terra terrariums like the one in the picture, which are taller than they are wide, are less than useful for a Pacman Frog, those terrariums are designed for arboreal creatures. Its really a waste of space and of a kind of nice terrarium that would be better suited to some little tree frogs, and the space that the Pacman frogs do have to occupy is extremely small.

There is nothing wrong with using these 12"x12"x18" tanks for one adult male Pacman. Females require more space, but an adult male can live happily in a 5 gallon tank so these Arboreal Exo-Terra tanks are excellent for an adult male which I keep my adult males in. They can live their entire life in a tank of this size. Females require no less than a 10 gallon due to their size once they reach adulthood. Also these tanks hold humidity and heat very well and are also good for using lights as a heat source because it allows you to keep the lamp high above the frog producing good heat without a drying effect and no harm will come to the frog. It just depends on what type of setup and heat sources you are going to provide for you frogs.