Does anyone know what's wrong?

[Kristen]

I just checked on my southern brown tree frog 'Flower' and she is VERY lethargic. I'm at the shops at the moment getting a hospital tank because my current one is being used for quarantine. I found her on the floor of the tank which is unusual for her so I picked her up and she wasn't moving. She is looking kind of bloated so I'm thinking she might be impacted. I'll add all the info from the "trouble in the enclosure" thread when I get back from the shops along with pictures. Thankyou in advance,

[Kristen]

1-size of enclosure 45 gallons
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ? 7. There is Flower and six other spotted marsh frogs. They can live communally and they are all the same size and have been living together there whole lives. (Just a note, the frogs are only a few centimetres long and the rule of thumb is ten gallons on the first frog and add five gallons for each frog added, so they aren't over crowded)
3-humidity They are kept with no artificial temperature/humidity but its definitely over 60%
4-temp 24 degrees celcius
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish rain water and daylesford region spring water.
6-materials used for substrate coir peat
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv Live plants (mondo grass, peace lily, baby tears, hairgrass, bromiliads and others I forgot the name of) Real wood and a massive rock that they sit on and an exo terra jungle vine and hiding cave. the plants got new soil and roots washed ect, and the wood was boiled and baked.
8-main food source Crickets and Lobster Roaches.
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often) Gutloaded with "Pisces Gutload" that is 'enriched with the right balance of calcium and vitamins to ensure your animal receives its daily essentials'
10-lighting natural indirect lighting and UVB exo terra light.
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure Nothing. It's in a room away from all air conditioners/heaters so it has a stable temp.
12-when is the last time he ate she ate two days ago
13-have you found poop lately Yes but I can't be certain its hers cause of her tank mates
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine They are attached at the bottom
15- how old is the frog four years old
16-how long have you owned him about three years
17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred Captive bred
18- frog food- how often and if its diverse what other feeders are used as treats Crickets are fed as staple and every three feeds i throw some Lobster roaches in
19- about how often the frog is handled less than once a month
20-is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area Low

Her tank


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Here is her quarantine tank


I moved her into her into her quarantine tank about an hour ago and she has stayed in the same spot since.

[DonLisk]

It is hard to diagnose since she actually looks fine in the photos (physically)

If she is impacted, you can try a honey bath with a dish od room temp water and 2 - 3 drops of natural honey added. This usually will give them a slight burst of energy and works as a laxative.

Is there any chance she swallowed one of the stones in the tank? That would be hard to pass and would need vet attention ASAP.

Hopefully another member sees something I don't and responds.
Good luck Kisten

[Kristen]

Yeah that's why I'm puzzled, she looks fine and healthy, not too fat or too skinny. Her back legs though were kind of limp when I picked her up. The just hanged there like she couldn't support them. She still hasn't moved from the same spot in her tank :/

Do you know the ratio of water to honey?

And no the stones are bigger than her, the white ones are slightly bigger than her and the brown ones are more than double her.

Also I forgot to add I just put grass seeds in there about four days ago. On the grass seed box it says nothing is added to them and they are safe.
There's a seed on her in the pictures.

Thank you Don
Hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with her. If she still is lethargic and having troubles tomorrow I'll take her to the vet.

[DonLisk]

There is no exact measurement for the honey bath but I would believe two cups of water to 3 drops of honey would be fine. I would heat the water to melt the honey and then let cool to room temp.

I don't know much about grass seed but I doubt it would effect her health conditions.

[Kristen]

Thank you.

[flybyferns]

Yeah that's why I'm puzzled, she looks fine and healthy, not too fat or too skinny. Her back legs though were kind of limp when I picked her up. The just hanged there like she couldn't support them. She still hasn't moved from the same spot in her tank :/

Do you know the ratio of water to honey?

And no the stones are bigger than her, the white ones are slightly bigger than her and the brown ones are more than double her.

Also I forgot to add I just put grass seeds in there about four days ago. On the grass seed box it says nothing is added to them and they are safe.
There's a seed on her in the pictures.

Thank you Don
Hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with her. If she still is lethargic and having troubles tomorrow I'll take her to the vet.

Kristen,
She ,really, does look good!
I agree w/ Don- give her a soak.

I'm worried about the grass seeds?
What do you think?
1) I am a skeptic and never believe it's "safe".
2) Do you think she could have swallowed any ??

What is this frog's lifespan?

Hopefully the soaks will help! Poor baby

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[Kristen]

Kristen,
She ,really, does look good!
I agree w/ Don- give her a soak.

I'm worried about the grass seeds?
What do you think?
1) I am a skeptic and never believe it's "safe".
2) Do you think she could have swallowed any ??

What is this frog's lifespan?

Hopefully the soaks will help! Poor baby

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Haha She says thank you
I gave her a soak at 2.30 this morning. She did NOT like the soak, haha.
She did perk up a bit after it though which is good.

Yeah I'm not to sure on the grass seeds either :/
I hope they are fine cause they are in all of the frog tanks and I wouldn't want anyone else getting ill.
I don't think so but it could be possible. She is fed out of the tank (Cause of the high demand for food in there ;P) and unless she ate dirt from the tank she couldnt have swallowed a seed.

Six to eight+ years.
Thank you for your help! She is looking a bit better after the soak

[DonLisk]

You can do the soak maybe twice in a week. You don't want to do it often.

If she refuses to eat then you can do Pedialite baths (unflavored) to get vital nutrients back into her.

[Kristen]

She ate a cricket! Well at least I think she did. One is missing out of the five I put in. I still haven't found poo yet though :/
She is still not herself, but she is alot better. I don't know what's wrong with her. Maybe she is stressed? I might get her a new tank all to herself or move the marsh frogs (cause they won't use the verticle space) I'm not sure yet. Seemso she has improved I won't bring her to the vet just yet. I'll wait and see how she goes.
I might go get some Pedialite tomorrow. The ratio is Ten parts water to One part Pedialite, right? Thanks Don!

[mrzoggs]

yes ten parts water to 1 part pedialyte.

[Kristen]

yes ten parts water to 1 part pedialyte.

Thank you

[StickyFrogfeet]

My whites was constipated once he kept poofing up a lot. took warm water soak for 10 min helped him and i sort of rubbed his spine area then i put him in his cage and ta da terd present for me lol..never been so happy for frog poops lol

[Kristen]

Thats good, next time I soak Flower I will rub her

Hopefully Flower will poop soon too :/
I went to four chemists today looking for unflavoured pedialite, I could only find flavoured and I know thats a HUGE no no. I'm going to search for some tomorrow aswell and hopefully will find some.
I saw her try to eat today, she dived for the cricket but kept missing it and eventually gave up. She still wont/cant stick on the glass or climb. She just stays low on the ground.

[StickyFrogfeet]

dont rub so much to make her irritated though..i was amazed my whites actually let me rub him like he knew i was helping.some peoples frogs stay constipated longer than others.

[mrzoggs]

this might be helpful to read. before you start using pedialyte

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/gen...html#post62147

Pedialyte is hypertonic when compared to the frog’s plasma, and is therefore not considered ideal, but is better than soaking with pure water. Pedialyte also lacks calcium, and shouldn’t be used when hypocalcemia (low plasma calcium levels) is suspected

just to clear out the pedialyte/force feeding questions.

[Kristen]

Okay, well I just came home and checked on all the froggies and I found one of the spotted marsh frogs floating in the water of the tank (Aspen). I though he was dead as I kind of nudged him and he did nothing. I picked him and and his little throat moved, his spots are more bright green than normal almost neon and from what Iv'e heard that VERY bad. One of his eyes are shut and he doesnt move at all but I know he is alive. Should I post this as a new thread in the 'frogs' section? I'm not sure cause he was in the same tank as flower. I've put him in a quarantine tank as well similar to flowers. I can't take all the frogs out of the big tank and into separate quarantine tanks untill tomorrow. I can take them to the vet tomorrow, and if it is the grass that is causing all this should I take all the frogs cause the grass is in ALL of the tanks. I'm not really sure what to do so here is pictures of him.

[Kristen]

I just found Flower dead. The other frogs is barely moving. I'm taking all of the frogs (including Eddie and Kevin) to the vet tomorrow, just incase and setting up quarentine tanks for all of the frogs.
R.I.P Flower

[DonLisk]

So sorry Kristen.

[Kristen]

So sorry Kristen.

Thanks Don