Does anyone know what's wrong?

[Kristen]

I just checked on my southern brown tree frog 'Flower' and she is VERY lethargic. I'm at the shops at the moment getting a hospital tank because my current one is being used for quarantine. I found her on the floor of the tank which is unusual for her so I picked her up and she wasn't moving. She is looking kind of bloated so I'm thinking she might be impacted. I'll add all the info from the "trouble in the enclosure" thread when I get back from the shops along with pictures. Thankyou in advance,

[Kristen]

1-size of enclosure 45 gallons
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ? 7. There is Flower and six other spotted marsh frogs. They can live communally and they are all the same size and have been living together there whole lives. (Just a note, the frogs are only a few centimetres long and the rule of thumb is ten gallons on the first frog and add five gallons for each frog added, so they aren't over crowded)
3-humidity They are kept with no artificial temperature/humidity but its definitely over 60%
4-temp 24 degrees celcius
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish rain water and daylesford region spring water.
6-materials used for substrate coir peat
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv Live plants (mondo grass, peace lily, baby tears, hairgrass, bromiliads and others I forgot the name of) Real wood and a massive rock that they sit on and an exo terra jungle vine and hiding cave. the plants got new soil and roots washed ect, and the wood was boiled and baked.
8-main food source Crickets and Lobster Roaches.
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often) Gutloaded with "Pisces Gutload" that is 'enriched with the right balance of calcium and vitamins to ensure your animal receives its daily essentials'
10-lighting natural indirect lighting and UVB exo terra light.
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure Nothing. It's in a room away from all air conditioners/heaters so it has a stable temp.
12-when is the last time he ate she ate two days ago
13-have you found poop lately Yes but I can't be certain its hers cause of her tank mates
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine They are attached at the bottom
15- how old is the frog four years old
16-how long have you owned him about three years
17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred Captive bred
18- frog food- how often and if its diverse what other feeders are used as treats Crickets are fed as staple and every three feeds i throw some Lobster roaches in
19- about how often the frog is handled less than once a month
20-is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area Low

Her tank


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Here is her quarantine tank


I moved her into her into her quarantine tank about an hour ago and she has stayed in the same spot since.

[DonLisk]

It is hard to diagnose since she actually looks fine in the photos (physically)

If she is impacted, you can try a honey bath with a dish od room temp water and 2 - 3 drops of natural honey added. This usually will give them a slight burst of energy and works as a laxative.

Is there any chance she swallowed one of the stones in the tank? That would be hard to pass and would need vet attention ASAP.

Hopefully another member sees something I don't and responds.
Good luck Kisten

[Kristen]

Yeah that's why I'm puzzled, she looks fine and healthy, not too fat or too skinny. Her back legs though were kind of limp when I picked her up. The just hanged there like she couldn't support them. She still hasn't moved from the same spot in her tank :/

Do you know the ratio of water to honey?

And no the stones are bigger than her, the white ones are slightly bigger than her and the brown ones are more than double her.

Also I forgot to add I just put grass seeds in there about four days ago. On the grass seed box it says nothing is added to them and they are safe.
There's a seed on her in the pictures.

Thank you Don
Hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with her. If she still is lethargic and having troubles tomorrow I'll take her to the vet.

[DonLisk]

There is no exact measurement for the honey bath but I would believe two cups of water to 3 drops of honey would be fine. I would heat the water to melt the honey and then let cool to room temp.

I don't know much about grass seed but I doubt it would effect her health conditions.

[Kristen]

Thank you.

[flybyferns]

Yeah that's why I'm puzzled, she looks fine and healthy, not too fat or too skinny. Her back legs though were kind of limp when I picked her up. The just hanged there like she couldn't support them. She still hasn't moved from the same spot in her tank :/

Do you know the ratio of water to honey?

And no the stones are bigger than her, the white ones are slightly bigger than her and the brown ones are more than double her.

Also I forgot to add I just put grass seeds in there about four days ago. On the grass seed box it says nothing is added to them and they are safe.
There's a seed on her in the pictures.

Thank you Don
Hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with her. If she still is lethargic and having troubles tomorrow I'll take her to the vet.

Kristen,
She ,really, does look good!
I agree w/ Don- give her a soak.

I'm worried about the grass seeds?
What do you think?
1) I am a skeptic and never believe it's "safe".
2) Do you think she could have swallowed any ??

What is this frog's lifespan?

Hopefully the soaks will help! Poor baby

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[Kristen]

Kristen,
She ,really, does look good!
I agree w/ Don- give her a soak.

I'm worried about the grass seeds?
What do you think?
1) I am a skeptic and never believe it's "safe".
2) Do you think she could have swallowed any ??

What is this frog's lifespan?

Hopefully the soaks will help! Poor baby

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Haha She says thank you
I gave her a soak at 2.30 this morning. She did NOT like the soak, haha.
She did perk up a bit after it though which is good.

Yeah I'm not to sure on the grass seeds either :/
I hope they are fine cause they are in all of the frog tanks and I wouldn't want anyone else getting ill.
I don't think so but it could be possible. She is fed out of the tank (Cause of the high demand for food in there ;P) and unless she ate dirt from the tank she couldnt have swallowed a seed.

Six to eight+ years.
Thank you for your help! She is looking a bit better after the soak

[Heatheranne]

Kristen, I am so sorry . Brought tears to my eyes reading this. I'm not sure how I didn't see this sooner. you're taking really great care of them. I'm not sure what could have happened. It sure is hard once they become sick though. I know first hand .

Do you use disposable gloves when caring for them? Just to be safe. My sick babies have their own everything...gloves, paper towel roll, water jug, etc. put aside so I never have to cross over from frog to frog. They even have their own large sprayer.

It's seems when they're healthy they're great, but when they get sick they go down hill fast and it's very hard to reverse the process. I'm sure they get sick in the wild too, just as we do. Unfortunately they're like little sponges waiting to soak up anything bad. Poor babies .

My heart goes out to you! I'm glad Eddie is okay!

[Kristen]

Thank you so much Heather

Yep
Though there is a spray bottle per tank for me.
Yeah they just went so quickly, I thought Aspen was improving and the next day or so he passed away. Yeah it's just alot harder when they're your pets and you're responsible for them. I felt the worst cause I think Aspen was suffering. I shouldn't have let him go through that.

Thank you Heather, and me too!

[Heatheranne]

Yw, I understand and feel that way too.