Just for the sake of discussion

[ndame88]

Not saying I am going to do it or want to do it, not trying to ruffle feathers, but just a discussion on mixing. What size enclosure would be required to have 3-4 of the following in the same enclosure:

Agalychnis callidryas
Agalychnis moreletii
Phyllomedusa tomopterna

[Whistly]

I'd advise against mixing species.

[ndame88]

Luke, I would agree with you, I only ask because I have seen mixing at zoos in large enclosure.

[Heatheranne]

I agree on the keeping species separate.

In their natural environments there are large areas of distance with fresh rain and natural aeration by large plants. Plus they can migrate away from each other. I'm not saying they couldn't coexist, especially docile species with minimal toxins in their secretions. But remember, our enclosures are much smaller than real life habitats. There are some frogs in which their chemical secretions and anatomy are virtually the same, however. I guess it would depend on the species involved, the cleanliness and husbandry of their enclosures, and the size of their homes.

Can and has it been done? Yes. Does it lessen their life longevity? It is possible.

It has truly been a frequent debate.

[Heatheranne]

A rule of thumb is 10 gallons per frog for the same species. I am not sure when mixing species.

I hope you find your answer.

If you're looking for color variation, there are some species with albino genes which are safe to house with their own species .


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[GrifTheGreat]

Only experts should keep different species together like those who care for them in Zoos. It is not a good idea to house different species together due to each species of frog and toad producing their own toxins and also disease.

[ndame88]

Heather,
I am not looking for any answers, the answer is no mixing as a hobby, just a discussion on the topic. So what is it that a herpetologist does at a zoo when they decide to mix in an enclosure nearly the same size as a hobbyist? Weekly exams? Just curious. On the few occasions that I have seen mixing at zoos, it has been with PDFs in what I thought was a pretty small enclosure.

[GrifTheGreat]

Heather,
I am not looking for any answers, the answer is no mixing as a hobby, just a discussion on the topic. So what is it that a herpetologist does at a zoo when they decide to mix in an enclosure nearly the same size as a hobbyist? Weekly exams? Just curious. On the few occasions that I have seen mixing at zoos, it has been with PDFs in what I thought was a pretty small enclosure.

Zoos usually try to recreate the animals natural habitat and coinhabitants (lacking the predator of course). They are experts and do mix species that live together in the same ecosystem. They are also trained to treat the animals if the become ill. Also the simulated habitats that are created at Zoos are usually much larger than a hobbiest has and makes it to where the individual species do not come in contact with one another. I'm not saying they never combine contact more so that it is less likely for them to do so.