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    I use nothing but spring water for them. I have hydro balls for drainage. I purchased them from a guy that sells at our reptile shows and has a pet store in a neighboring state. He stated that he kept red eyes and dumpys together at the store.

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    Amanda,
    I am so sorry for your loss! I wish I knew more about this type of situation. I have not encountered anything like this so I will be interested to hear the comments. If you wanted to be extra safe and eliminate as many chances as possible of anything happening then I would say that you might clean out and sterilize your tank, but that maybe over kill. Hopefully one of the veterns here will chime in with some good advice to help you out. Once again sorry to hear what happened.

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    Ooh, this is so sad! I'm very sorry for the loss of your frogs
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    Sounds like Chytrid. photo of the Blue phase looks like the photos I've seen of dead victims of Chytrid. I'm no expert and don't own tree frogs, but sounds very similar to the infection. Can't know for sure without a necropsy being performed. wow as everyone has said.

    I'm very sorry for your loss.


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    What were the temps. Chytrid fungus is a possibility, but if the
    Temp was higher(above 75 f), not at all likely. Lots of things can cause
    bloating. Something this quick would suggest to me bacterial infection. I reiterate that the whole setup should be cleaned if you want to be sure!

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    Amanda,
    So sorry to hear this.
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    So sorry Amanda :-(

    I so wish I had an answer for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukebaksavich View Post
    What were the temps. Chytrid fungus is a possibility, but if the
    Temp was higher(above 75 f), not at all likely. Lots of things can cause
    bloating. Something this quick would suggest to me bacterial infection. I reiterate that the whole setup should be cleaned if you want to be sure!
    They where warmer in the day then 75F, but cooler than 75F at night. His belly wasn't red like the photo's I saw.

    All the same...quarintine tank is bleached and ready for him to stay there while I clean the viv like a crazy lady...just to be safe.

    Thank you each and all for your kind words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukebaksavich View Post
    What were the temps. Chytrid fungus is a possibility, but if the
    Temp was higher(above 75 f), not at all likely. Lots of things can cause
    bloating. Something this quick would suggest to me bacterial infection. I reiterate that the whole setup should be cleaned if you want to be sure!
    From what I've read. Chytrid thrives in the average temps of most frog environments. it dies off only if temps that are 90° and above for up to 6 hours. Like you said though. Its almost impossible to tell without the frog being examined or the skin tested.


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    It's not chytridiomycosis. If anything it was edema, which has a few possible causes, bacterial infection and kidney failure come to mind. I believe you purchased ill frogs. That's why you should never, ever introduce new frogs to old ones until after a 30-day quarantine has passed without any issues. I purchased a pair of Dermatonotus meulleri last January. Almost the same story. Neither would eat and one died with in a week of purchase, the other three weeks later and that was after seeing the vet.
    Paper towels are a standard quarantine substrate, just make sure to change them often.
    Also, you should never house red-eyes and White's together. I wouldn't buy from a vendor who did, because obviously he/she has not a clue as to what he/she is doing.

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