Another 10g Vertical..... [Picture Heavy}

[J Teezy]

throw some kind of vine in that front most pot

[Shibumi]

throw some kind of vine in that front most pot

I was thinking about a button fern? I have a small one that might grow in nice there.

[Shibumi]

Another plant added. I'm hoping that the button fern will cascade a little. Also, the Tillandsia in the middle with the red buds, is starting to show a purple flower. NICE!

[J Teezy]

what are you putting in this animal wise?

[Shibumi]

what are you putting in this animal wise?

Most likely Red eyed leaf frog, but the thumbnails are calling to me (pun intended). I just don't know about dealing with the flies in my small apartment.
With the crickets, I get them 10 at a time and keep them in a critter keeper.

I have a question. If there is no leaf litter and I do get a RELF, should I put springtails or isopods in there? Don't they need the leaf litter? I've read that they usually won't eat the microfauna so how much would you add?

[J Teezy]

well let me say this. I'm new to the hobby and have only really been involved for a few months. My first thing i wanted to house was a Red Eye Tree Frog in a 10 gallon vertical. So i built the tank, planted it, etc. and then found out it was going to be a little more work to keep the humidity and temperatures where they should for an RETF. How did i know this? I ran my tank for a couple weeks with no animal in it trying to make adjustments to misting cycles, using a heat pad etc. I wasn't happy with the results I was getting so i decided on some dart frogs. Another thing with the RETFs that was turning me off was the fact that they aren't the best for watching for entertainment plus they sleep all day being nocturnal. So since my tank was holding humidity and temps perfect for darts. So i bought a couple 4 month old Leucs, and they are pretty awesome little frogs. Kind of skittish at first but after a couple of days they have warmed up nicely to their new home.

As far as leaf litter for a RETF i don't think its really necessary since they won't really walk around on the ground. You may want to cover your soil layer with some sphagnum or leaf litter though to keep substrate from sticking to your frog should it wander onto the ground level. Again i have no experiecne with them personally just relaying information i learned from my own research. You'll want plenty of climbing for an RETF and remember you'll need a water bowl and probably a glass dish to put crickets in and with that you'll want to provide a way for the frog to get to both of those without having to walk on the ground. Remember these frogs live in the canopy's of the trees and never really see the forest floor in the wild.

With springtails an RETF wouldn't really eat them. If you are adding them for cleanup duty, i don't really think they are necessary for a RETF. Springtails are more common in dart frog setups to feed on the decaying leaf litter, frog poo, and what not.

All in all i would make sure you can maintain the proper temp and humidity for at least a week that a RETF requires before you commit to buying one.

Oh and Fruit Flies aren't that bad really. I leave in an apartment size condo and raise and feed out FF's. If you are worried about some getting loose in your apartment here's what i do. I go outside on my porch when i'm transferring flies from a culture into a new culture or putting flies into a cup to feed from, that way if some do get loose they are outside anyway.

[Shibumi]

well let me say this. I'm new to the hobby and have only really been involved for a few months. My first thing i wanted to house was a Red Eye Tree Frog in a 10 gallon vertical. So i built the tank, planted it, etc. and then found out it was going to be a little more work to keep the humidity and temperatures where they should for an RETF. How did i know this? I ran my tank for a couple weeks with no animal in it trying to make adjustments to misting cycles, using a heat pad etc. I wasn't happy with the results I was getting so i decided on some dart frogs. Another thing with the RETFs that was turning me off was the fact that they aren't the best for watching for entertainment plus they sleep all day being nocturnal. So since my tank was holding humidity and temps perfect for darts. So i bought a couple 4 month old Leucs, and they are pretty awesome little frogs. Kind of skittish at first but after a couple of days they have warmed up nicely to their new home.

As far as leaf litter for a RETF i don't think its really necessary since they won't really walk around on the ground. You may want to cover your soil layer with some sphagnum or leaf litter though to keep substrate from sticking to your frog should it wander onto the ground level. Again i have no experiecne with them personally just relaying information i learned from my own research. You'll want plenty of climbing for an RETF and remember you'll need a water bowl and probably a glass dish to put crickets in and with that you'll want to provide a way for the frog to get to both of those without having to walk on the ground. Remember these frogs live in the canopy's of the trees and never really see the forest floor in the wild.

With springtails an RETF wouldn't really eat them. If you are adding them for cleanup duty, i don't really think they are necessary for a RETF. Springtails are more common in dart frog setups to feed on the decaying leaf litter, frog poo, and what not.

All in all i would make sure you can maintain the proper temp and humidity for at least a week that a RETF requires before you commit to buying one.

Oh and Fruit Flies aren't that bad really. I leave in an apartment size condo and raise and feed out FF's. If you are worried about some getting loose in your apartment here's what i do. I go outside on my porch when i'm transferring flies from a culture into a new culture or putting flies into a cup to feed from, that way if some do get loose they are outside anyway.

Haha, we think alike. I have the most boring frog right now. He burrows, so I really can't plant anything and he sleeps all day. I stil like the pacman but I don't really want another nocturnal pet. I like the darts being diurnal. So it might end up a dart frog tank. As for flies? I would maybe use my bathtub. Thanks for your input. I've also done tons of research and like everyone who want to start out with darts, they don't wan't to deal with flies. I'd get over it after I got the hang of them and my cat might play with any strays. I guess it's more reading up for me. Whatever I decide to get, it will be after my vacation in july. I don't want someone to have to care for more frogs.