Thanks for all the replys i know th weight and th amount that wasnt the problem just wanted to know th best place i figurd the mouth just thought id asked as for cages one day when i have the time i will take pics i have 22 pacmans and 9 pyxies all are adults and also raising up some stuff as well from yusuke including the $500 mutant he had on k/snake i use pmherp blanket boxes with under the belly heat tape and all are hooked up to helixs therms,im new to the forum and enjoy reafing all the post pretty cool anyway thanks and look for pics soon