Well hello everyone!...what a brilliant forum!!

[snoopfroggyfrog]

Hi everyone...I thought id introduce myself... im new to this site & new to being a frog keeper but im so glad i found it i cam imagine its gonn be of great help!
I went to the garden centre here in england on tuesday and can across 2 gorgeous whites tree frogs., they were so lovely i just couldnt help myself and bought them, and the following day whilst buying pet supplies at my local pet shop came across 2 more who the assistant told me had been in store for months with no interest at all....so i ended up feeling a little sorry for them and binging them home too!!.... ive always loved frogs and used to watch them around my fathers pond as a child but having my new 4 new lodgers is just so exciting they really are soooo lovely. at the moment im researching all about there care online but alot of the advice contradicts any advice would be greatfully recieved....

[1beataway]

Hi.

There's a careguide on this forum for White's that is very helpful.

[scribbles]

Welcome to the forum. What are you keeping your new white's in?

[snoopfroggyfrog]

well at the moment a aquarium tank i had which used to have tropical fish in.. my partner modified the lid with mesh to allow air in its 3 ft long x 1 foot tall. i know its not big/tall enough for long and have eyed up some vivariums for frogs, ive put a real plant in and a pool & some artifial leafy climbers in as well as twistable vines for them to climb on and a heat pad covered with barky stuff that the pet shop recomemded. what size vivarium would you suggest? would rather go large as to not have to change much in future when they grow. i want to invest in the correct one which why i havent purchased on yet......

[1beataway]

Taller tanks work better than longer. They love climbing. Personally, I love the open front terraniums. It makes it so much easier. With four though, you would need a large one! The one I have is 18x18x24 (I think), and I have two in there.

[snoopfroggyfrog]

thank for that....the open fronted ones are what ive been looking at cause ive been a bit concerned about the fact that they could hop out the top when i open it. i guessed it would have to be a large one i want them to be as happy as possible....
one thing i was wondering is what age do they start croaking i have no ideal of there age really they are all roughly the same size but im also not sure of there sex its pretty hard to tell isnt it?
i was watching tv today and one of them started croaking... just thinking as there are 4 in there???.... how easy is it for baby froggys to arrive not sure im ready for that! lol.....

[1beataway]

When I got my first, it was maybe an inch long. Very small. The big crickets I fed it were almost as big as the frog! It was a couple months before I heard a croak from it. At first it was so soft, and not what I was expecting at all; I thought it was the parakeets chirping. When I got the other one, I had to wait till it was nearly the same size as the one I had gotten 6-7 months earlier, and it was already croaking when I got him. I love white's croaking. It's usually at night, but Luigi does it throughout the day, and both will croak if it's quiet and then I turn the TV or the radio on. When I was suspicious that my first one was croaking, and it wasn't parakeets, I found a file online of a white's croaking, and played it several times. The frog eventually answered to it.

Their sex is hard to determine, from everything I've looked up. I'm pretty sure Luigi is a male, but the other one is so hard to tell. Luigi just croaks all the time, has such a dark throat, has dark pads on his feet. He seems male.

I don't think you'll accidently have babies. There's some requirements for them to reproduce, like a rain chamber and I think cycling. I know you could find more info, but I think it takes work to prepare them for breeding.

[scribbles]

How about a standard 29 gallon? Or a 60 gallon?

[snoopfroggyfrog]

pheww!.... glad that they dont just start reproducing!

well these are about 1 & 1/2 inches from bottom to nose not including leg span so im guessing they are not very old but they certainly arnt little babys.
does the colour of them mean anything 2 of them are greenish blue and the other two are brownish green?

edit.. think the bigger the better on vivaruim...

[1beataway]

Maybe you got two that are blue phase? I love the blue phase.

Also, lots of things can influence colour, like temperature or mood. One of my blues stays mostly brown throughout the day, then is more green at night. The other almost always stays the nice blue colour.

When it comes to feeding, I think the open front is better (though crickets find a way to escape! Days later I'll find one on the floor of my apartment. Pretty easy to catch though), especially when it comes to hand-feeding mealworms. Plus if it wasn't for the open front, Luigi wouldn't have so much fun jumping out of the front onto my couch or on me.

[snoopfroggyfrog]

oh wow i cant wait for when mine get used to me and i can handle them a bit more ive been handling them every day for a few minutes so they get used to me but havent wanted to scare them seeing here is so new to them ive been holding them over the tank incase they jump i braved it yesterday and tried to sit on the sofa with one and it weed on me and lept on to my partners face! i got worried id scared it, so havent tried since just over the tank again......

[1beataway]

I was much more afraid to handle my first when it was that small. It once jumped out of my hands onto a space heater; it wasn't on at the time, but it definitely made me more careful. Now that they're so big though, I don't worry about it. I know when Luigi's about to jump. Baudrillard doesn't jump nearly as often.

And I hate frog pee.

[snoopfroggyfrog]

...lol it came as quite a shock i didnt know they did it! seems i have loads to learn but im sure ill have great fun whilst i do!......

[1beataway]

Definitely. You have a great first frog. I love that they have their own personalities. My two are so different. I think I could tell you more about their personalities than my friends'.

They like going into the water at night, so make sure you have an area large enough for them. Right now they're so small, you want to make sure they can get out of the water, but when you get your nice new big home for them, you want an area large enough for all of them to use.

[Kerry1968]

Just wanted to say welcome to the forum and the world of frog-keeping!

Well, you don't do things by halves do you? FOUR baby White's in one go! Can't say I blame you, they are irresistable! I have one, it is about 2 inches long now, has doubled in size since I got it! Though I've not heard any croaking yet, perhaps he is a she? Lol!

EDIT: I just noticed you're from Bristol too! Where did you buy your frogs?

[Kurt]

Welcome aboard. Your frogs' enclosure will be ok for now, but you will eventually need an closure that is double in size when these things grow up.

[snoopfroggyfrog]

Thanks everyone for your great advice!
hi kerry...
wow a fellow bristolian!......
I got the first two from almonsbury garden centre & then went up to staple hill to avon aquatics to get some vine & they have a new reptile/amphibian section and the 2 others were sat in a tank just waiting for a good home!... i just couldnt resist!........
both places said they had been there since tiny babys and noone was really interested......
the one in staple hill has all sorts of things for frogs and she did say she can get them in if ordered. its a lot cheaper then almonsbury garden centre too.

[John]

Welcome to the forum! I see you live in Bristol. Wow, Avon Aquatics takes me back. I used to have to get the bus out to where they were in that garden centre and then walk down that the long street almost in the countryside. Those were the days.

[snoopfroggyfrog]

hi john....

"Good old avon hey" they have been going for years havent they... they have moved now & updated ect really good in there now they have all sorts of wierd & wonderfull things!

[Kerry1968]

Oh wow! A local froggy place! Cool!

I didn't even know there was an aquatic shop in Staple Hill! A visit coming up methinks!