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    Can pacmans eat these?

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    Also known as a fruit beetle grub

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    I don't see why not unless they exude any form of toxin, they should be fine.....the real question about most food sources should be "Will my Pacman accept it?".
    Some can be picky about what foods they accept. If it is a safe food source & the frog accepts it, all is well.
    Mealworms are an issue simply because they have an exoskeleton of chitin that can & will cause impaction in the frog if used as a main food source. They are fine to use as a treat now & then.

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    Well they are a common feeder as a treat so should be fine. Thanks

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    To add to Jessica's answer you will also want to make sure they do not have powerful jaws to bite and harm your frog externally or internally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IvoryReptiles View Post
    Mealworms are an issue simply because they have an exoskeleton of chitin that can & will cause impaction in the frog if used as a main food source.
    All insects have an exoskeleton of chitin. If this was true then the staple that most people use - crickets - would cause impaction due to the legs/heads/mandibles that are just as hard as anything on a mealworm. I have a WC toad that I've been feeding pretty much nothing but dusted superworms for 6 months (I have a colony going so it's free :P), and he's had no problems whatsoever. One hilarious rumor I've heard is that superworms can eat their way out of your frogs...too bad they die within seconds of exposure to the frog's stomach acid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiszm View Post
    All insects have an exoskeleton of chitin. If this was true then the staple that most people use - crickets - would cause impaction due to the legs/heads/mandibles that are just as hard as anything on a mealworm. I have a WC toad that I've been feeding pretty much nothing but dusted superworms for 6 months (I have a colony going so it's free :P), and he's had no problems whatsoever. One hilarious rumor I've heard is that superworms can eat their way out of your frogs...too bad they die within seconds of exposure to the frog's stomach acid.
    If you notice Cricket heads do not get digested. The same happens with Mealworm and Superworm chitin and yes it can cause impaction. Anything that does not become digested always has the potential to cause an impactin within the intestines. This can also cause a prolapse. I have also heard the rumor about the giant superworms eating through the stomach of your frog. I have never seen proof, but not everything dies within seconds of being exsposed to their stomach acids. Which is why sometimes you can actually see worms and yes even superworms moving within their stomachs.

    Sure you don't want to believe everything you read or hear, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what you read or hear is untrue.


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    I'm just saying that the amount of chitin on an adult cricket is pretty similar to the amount on a super worm. So if one is bad, then the other is too. You can definitely see the super worms rolling around inside the frog for a little while, but in my experience they always stop after a few seconds. Unless you have an unhealthy frog I don't think there is much to worry about.

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    Thanks for the reply. I don't think they have powerful jaws but I cut its head off any way

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiszm View Post
    I'm just saying that the amount of chitin on an adult cricket is pretty similar to the amount on a super worm. So if one is bad, then the other is too. You can definitely see the super worms rolling around inside the frog for a little while, but in my experience they always stop after a few seconds. Unless you have an unhealthy frog I don't think there is much to worry about.
    Actually Crickets chitin aside from the head is much weaker than that of the Superworms which is why Superworms are so bad if fed too many. They have more than enough times been the cause of an impaction to be considered a serious impaction risk in frogs. Even soft bodied animals can cause an impaction. Mice being a main culpret. Since the tissue of mammals is much denser than that of insects it takes much longer and a lot more energy to digest. Which causes frogs to become constipated. While not fully impacted by the rodent it does cause issues like a Prolapse. Caution should always be taken when feeding your frogs. Especially with uncommon food item.


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