Red eye acting weird(sick?)

[Griffin]

i have potho,creeping jenny,bromeliad,money tree and and snake plant

[Griffin]

ok i tried to soak him in the 1 to 10 Pedialyte water but he keeps looking down and i was afraid he was going to drown and also he was spazing out and jumping and going on his back and he was trying to flip back over but couldn't and did that a few times,so that did go so well.and also i saw that one of his pupil is more dialated than the other pupil on the other eye,he has had this since hes been acting weird or maybe even before,also does his size seem small to you guys for a 8 month old Red-Eyed Leaf Frog?i always thought that he was male because my other Red-Eyed Leaf Frog is bigger and think that one is female.and here is a pic of him,will post more pics if u guys need

[flybyferns]

Hi Griffin,
Although I have red eye tree frogs, I am not an expert.
However, here are my thoughts.
He is thin, and looks weak. I am glad that you were able to do the soak.
PM Grif and ask how often you can do that?
It is stressful for them to be handled , though!

If this were my frog, this is what I would do for now :
-I would keep him in a hospital tank to monitor things closely. ( 5-10 gallon glass tank $ 10 )
-get what ever is needed, ( lights heat etc to keep this separate tank)
-paper towels substrate.
-add a pothos vine or a plant he can climb on and hide in
- cover the back and sides of the tank with dark paper.
-keep him in as quiet a spot as possible
-dampened the towel w/ declorinated water ( change it 3 times /week ONLY while he is sleeping)
-include a VERY shallow / soaking dish w/ the same water that the paper towel is dampened with ( change it daily ONLY while he is sleeping)
-*****Keep the temp and humidity w/in the parameters recommended ******
-keep a very consistent day/night light cycle
-dust crickets ( small ONLY- make dinner an easy catch ) with vit D and calicium **** DAILY****
-put several crickets in - every night ( count them !!!)
-remove ALL uneaten crickets in the morning ( after he goes back to sleep ) put them back in the cricket bin to feed
-Light - I would hang 2.0 UVB bulb near-by during the day ( maybe 6 hours /daily)

You are sooo consciences !! Hang in there!
Lynn

[GrifTheGreat]

You nee to do as Lynn has stated above. Keepthe climate very consistant with minimal fluxuation. Feeding your crickets with fruits and veggies does help, but most of the time is not enough. This is why you should supply supplemnts by dusting their. Food. It adds extra benifits.

Your frog is in very bad shape. I suspect parasites may be attacking your frog due to how emaciated he is. A vet trip is needed ASAP and I would provide a fecal sample to take with you for testing.

Still perform the Pedialyte soaks. Make sure they are warm not hot. Luke warm is safest. Around 72 to 77 degree water. He needs to be in the bath for minimum of 10 minutes per soak and you can perform this daily for up to 2 weeks.

I am no expert and do not own Red Eyes, but I can honestly say that your frog is in a lot of trouble right now. If you have to you can support your frog in the bath. Just be careful not to harm him or allow him to harm himself.

[GrifTheGreat]

Also while soaking your frog you will want to shoot for the 20 minute range, no less than 10 minutes in the soak otherwise its benifits will be wasted. New fresh soak everytime. If doesn't eat within the next day you will need to force feed him.
Try red wigglers and pieces of earthworm. They afe nutritious and easily digested.

Keep us posted

[Griffin]

ok guys i will do my best.can you give me some tips on force feeding,i never did so

thank you guys so much

[GrifTheGreat]

ok guys i will do my best.can you give me some tips on force feeding,i never did so

thank you guys so much

You'll need a credit card or preferably a small shopper card. It is best done with 2 people. One to make sure your frog doesn't escape or back away and the other to force feed. You can do it out of the enclosure just make sure you set him down on moist paper towels.

You will gently pry open his mouth with the shopper card by placing the corner of it between the upper and lower jaws on the side of his mouth. Gently apply pressure until his mouth opens. Have the food item you intend to feed him in the other hand and near his mouth. Once his mouth is open enough quickly and carefully place the food item in his mouth. It doesn't have to go all the way in just enough to where he closes his mouth on the food item. He should do the rest.

Force feeding is stressful for your frog and you. Be calm and pacient. It may take a couple tries.

Keep us posted.

[Griffin]

thanks for the help grif,also as of right now he doesnt look nothing like in the picture(skinny),he must have been sucking in his stomach.but he is just staring at the ground for hours now and just hate to see him like this

[Heatheranne]

Hi Griffin,

Sorry it took me so long to respond. Sometimes I miss posts due to long work hours.

It sounds as though your frog is lacking something. Perhaps a deficiency? Sounds a bit like tetany, which is caused by low blood calcium levels. Though I am not sure bc you do dust.

Is your frog moving any better since the soaks? Are his pupils still unequal? Unequal pupils are a sign of a neurological dysfunction...I am again wondering...electrolyte imbalance? Calcium, sodium, potassium? Frogs need minuscule amounts, but those amts sustain vital functions. Muscle contractility varies with amts of these nutrients.

Please remind me, what brand and type of calcium do you use? Do you ever use herp vitamin powder?

If your having trouble keeping your frog in the water than you can soak paper towels in the dechlorinated water & diluted pedialyte solution and he can sit on the wet paper towels. You can even set them along the walls of his tank and let him climb them. Though a true soak is better, he will absorb some of the solution this way. I have gotten my baby to relax and fall asleep in his paper towel soaks and it still seemed to work. I also stuck his fanny into a dessert cup of the solution after he fell asleep . He didn't even notice. Though he was hyper and anxious for a few minutes when I first started.


If you can perform the diluted pedialyte soaks and see a difference in his ability to control his muscular and skeletal functions, you may have your answer.

Also, if his musculoskeletal function is impaired, this may effect his ability to control his jaws. He may need help eating until this resolves. Though, if he is eating on his own, it is much preferred and will not cause as much stress as force feeding. But, we have to do for our babies as much as we can to help them pull through.

Hope this helps! Please keep as posted and good luck!

Remember to talk very quietly and calmly to your baby as he goes through these procedures and he will learn to trust you and will be calmer with each treatment.

Crossing my fingers for you!

[Griffin]

No,his movements are not better since the soak and also eye pupils are same also,still different diolations on each eye,he just sits there with his head down looking at the ground.i use flukers calcuim + D3.will do the soaking of paper-towels in pedialyte water mix

[Griffin]

Did a good soaking today.tonight is the night i have to force feed :|(nervous)

and here is a couple pics to show his pupils,different dialations.sorry for the blurriness

[InfinitysDaughter]

Just wanted to ask. How long ago did you get your calcium dust and from what store did you get it? Not too long ago I got a small container of fluckers +D3 from my petsmart and my gray acted similar to what you have been saying. It turned out that the shipment of fluckers that my store got had been tampered with. Helen was fairly ok within a few days but she is also a different species as well as wild caught so possibly not as susceptible to the containment as a red eyes or your bottle may have had a more concentrated amount of the containment (still dont know what it was).

Personally, if your still dusting I would either stop all together or get a different container (preferably a different brand). If your still dusting from the same container it could account for the prolonged and acute illness.

Fluckers is a great brand but the recent batch has been contaminated. I would stop using it for the time being and tell the store where you got it about the issue. They may want to take the batch off the shelves just in case (like my petsmart did).


I'll admit I have no experience with red eyes but this just sounds too much like what my Helly went threw to be a coincidence.

[BlueisallIneed]

At this point you really need to take him to a vet. If he were mine I would have tried a vet alone time ago Hun. He looks really bad

[flybyferns]

Did a good soaking today.tonight is the night i have to force feed :|(nervous)

and here is a couple pics to show his pupils,different dialations.sorry for the blurriness

Griffin,
He looks so weak.
He needs a herp. vet.
I'm sorry !

[GrifTheGreat]

Looking at the new pics I am also sorry to say that his only chance is to see a vet that specializes in Herps. The soaks will only provide nutrients and electrolytes. He may need additional meds to recover and the ones he will need you can't buy from a store. I like Heathers idea of the Paper towels soaked in the Pedialyte bath solution. He probably doesn't lookas emasiated from absorbing some of the Pedialyte solution.

At this point his only chance for survival is a vet. I really wish there was more that I could do and that everyone else here could do. He is in really bad shape Griffin. I am sorry.

[Heatheranne]

Hi Griffin,

I just got settled in and saw the photos. Your baby is getting worse. He needs to eat. He looks lifeless . I am so sorry.

Did you try the gentle force feeding?

He really needs a vet.

[Heatheranne]

If you were closer I'd take him in and help you, but you are very far.

Please write and keep us posted.

[Griffin]

about how much would it coast to see a vet?

i tired force feeding him tonight and he kept opening his mouth and pushing out the cricket,tried it 3 times

[flybyferns]

about how much would it coast to see a vet?

i tired force feeding him tonight and he kept opening his mouth and pushing out the cricket,tried it 3 times

Hi Griffin
I'm so sorry you're having such a tuf time.
I would say the visit would be about $40-50, maybe less.
I wish you had a choice
A herp vet will know what to do !!!!!
Please let us know how you make out.

Ask the vet for a 3cc syringe ( w/out a needle). The little end of a syringe ( where the needle would twist on and off )is the perfect size to fit into his mouth, and that size syringe is not so small in diameter that you risk putting it in too far. You can then, pull the legs off the crickets, squish the cricket, mix w/ the vits and calcium and push a tiny bit it into his mouth with the end of the syringe? See what the vet thinks about this idea. In fact , I know it works well, I have done it. You just have to make sure the frog is alert enough to swallow ( so he does not choke on the food)

Or, at the very lest, pull the cricket's legs off first.
The cricket will be easier to swallow w/out the legs.
Maybe w/out the legs, he will not spit it out.
Lynn

[flybyferns]

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