Red eye acting weird(sick?)

[Griffin]

Hey guys,my male red eye has always acted kinda clumsy but in the past couple of days hes behavior has gotten much more weird and of a concern to me and worried.now for the past 2 days he acts like he is disoriented(jumping and falling on his back etc)and when he sleeps(i think he is sleeping anyways because its in the day)he sleeps with one eye open and also he stays in the weirdest positions for hours upon hours for example he had one leg on the glass and the rest of his feet on a leaf,leaning back looking like he is going to fall(and eventually he did fall right on the ground).

what could this be?i searched on the web for weird behavior of red eyes but found nothing that iam having with mine

thank you guys

Griffin

ps:i will post pics of him if you guys need.also i have had him since he was as big as my thumbnail,and had him for about 6-7 months now.and also have a female red eye tree frog,both bought at the same time

[KingCam]

Hey guys,my male red eye has always acted kinda clumsy but in the past couple of days hes behavior has gotten much more weird and of a concern to me and worried.now for the past 2 days he acts like he is disoriented(jumping and falling on his back etc)and when he sleeps(i think he is sleeping anyways because its in the day)he sleeps with one eye open and also he stays in the weirdest positions for hours upon hours for example he had one leg on the glass and the rest of his feet on a leaf,leaning back looking like he is going to fall(and eventually he did fall right on the ground).

what could this be?i searched on the web for weird behavior of red eyes but found nothing that iam having with mine

thank you guys

Griffin

I wish you the best of luck. You should put him in a small container with a damp paper towel, a small water bowl, and a small fake plant. I cannot offer advice as far as temperature and humidity because I don't know anything about red eyes.

I had a similar situation a few weeks back, and I couldn't get a single person to even comment on my thread. Not one, but hopefully you'll have better luck than I did.

[Griffin]

oh no,did the red eye live:|?

[KingCam]

Well mine was a grey tree frog, and his symptoms weren't exactly the same as yours. He did live, thanks. Here's the thread: http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-climbing.html

[flybyferns]

Hello Griffin,
Please read the post I made a few minutes ago on the thread below:

http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...tibiotics.html

Then come back to this (your ) thread and try to answer all those questions, if possible .
(except the vet question)
I would removed the frog from the enclosure it is in, make the hospital enclosure w/ damped paper towels ( treated water !!!)
and a clean water dish w/ VERY shallow treated water.
It could get injured if it continues to fall.
(As you know it will climb as high as it possibly can)
And ,YES photos of the enclosure and the frog always helps,
If you do not have a herp vet/start looking for one your area; you don't want to save that for the last second!
Lynn

[S13]

Found 1 possible herp vet in Nevada. Happens to be in Vegas however, this was last updated in 2001 and not sure if they are still there.

Herp Vet Connection

[Griffin]

thanks for your help guys,i will put him in a container,i have one of those plastic enclosures that i usually keep crickets in but dont have crickets at the moment.and as for a vet,i dont have the money at the moment to see a vet .i would get pics up but i have to go to sleep to go to work.and also what is the sickness does he actually have?was reading the medic page but nothing describes what my frog is doing

man i always dreaded the day one of my frogs got sick

[Griffin]

ok guys i transferd him in to the container with damp paper-towels on the bottom with a shallow water dish(both with spring water) and also put aluminum foil on the top of the cage with vents on side to keep the humidity up.so what is the next step?



also i put the container under the viv in a cabinet where it is dark,should i leave him in complete darkness or out in the open where there is light in the day

[flybyferns]

ok guys i transferd him in to the container with damp paper-towels on the bottom with a shallow water dish(both with spring water) and also put aluminum foil on the top of the cage with vents on side to keep the humidity up.so what is the next step?



also i put the container under the viv in a cabinet where it is dark,should i leave him in complete darkness or out in the open where there is light in the day

You might put the hospital container right into the viv w/ a lid?
Please post other information referred to in that other post.
Monitor what he is eating. Watch for poop! Keep posteding !
Lynn

[Griffin]

here is the info:

viv humidity stays around 75%-90% and temp 70f-75f (a little warmer in the summer)
the red eyes been in the same viv since i got them so 6-7 months
substrate is coco fiber from exo terra and then on top of that sphagnum moss
i use spring water
i feed him crickets and the last time he ate was last Saturday and i dust the crickets with flukers calcium with vitamin D powder

[Heatheranne]

Hi Griffin,

Sorry it took me so long to respond. Sometimes I miss posts due to long work hours.

It sounds as though your frog is lacking something. Perhaps a deficiency? Sounds a bit like tetany, which is caused by low blood calcium levels. Though I am not sure bc you do dust.

Is your frog moving any better since the soaks? Are his pupils still unequal? Unequal pupils are a sign of a neurological dysfunction...I am again wondering...electrolyte imbalance? Calcium, sodium, potassium? Frogs need minuscule amounts, but those amts sustain vital functions. Muscle contractility varies with amts of these nutrients.

Please remind me, what brand and type of calcium do you use? Do you ever use herp vitamin powder?

If your having trouble keeping your frog in the water than you can soak paper towels in the dechlorinated water & diluted pedialyte solution and he can sit on the wet paper towels. You can even set them along the walls of his tank and let him climb them. Though a true soak is better, he will absorb some of the solution this way. I have gotten my baby to relax and fall asleep in his paper towel soaks and it still seemed to work. I also stuck his fanny into a dessert cup of the solution after he fell asleep . He didn't even notice. Though he was hyper and anxious for a few minutes when I first started.


If you can perform the diluted pedialyte soaks and see a difference in his ability to control his muscular and skeletal functions, you may have your answer.

Also, if his musculoskeletal function is impaired, this may effect his ability to control his jaws. He may need help eating until this resolves. Though, if he is eating on his own, it is much preferred and will not cause as much stress as force feeding. But, we have to do for our babies as much as we can to help them pull through.

Hope this helps! Please keep as posted and good luck!

Remember to talk very quietly and calmly to your baby as he goes through these procedures and he will learn to trust you and will be calmer with each treatment.

Crossing my fingers for you!

[Griffin]

No,his movements are not better since the soak and also eye pupils are same also,still different diolations on each eye,he just sits there with his head down looking at the ground.i use flukers calcuim + D3.will do the soaking of paper-towels in pedialyte water mix

[Heatheranne]

Hi Griffin,

I just got settled in and saw the photos. Your baby is getting worse. He needs to eat. He looks lifeless . I am so sorry.

Did you try the gentle force feeding?

He really needs a vet.

[Heatheranne]

If you were closer I'd take him in and help you, but you are very far.

Please write and keep us posted.

[Heatheranne]

Griffin,

I would definitely take him to the vet.

I use a soft tip Qtip wet with dechlorinated water and gently push the cricket back just enough so my frog closes his mouth on it. Then I set him back into his home. He always swallows it.

My retf that I rescued from my local mall sometimes stops eating. His housing conditions are all perfect. I believe he has been traumatized. I have been force feeding him for quite some time now. Yours should eat on his own again once he has strength.

Anyway... I dust it, hold my baby in a wet dechlorinated new paper towel, gently slide the corner of his mouth open, hold the corner open by setting the wet Qtip to the side of his mouth, slide the small cricket, worm, or dubia in and he always closes his mouth. Then I set him down or hold him upright to swallow it.

I agree with Grif and Lynn, try a small needless syringe...I would mash or blenderize a cricket (no legs), a worm, and or both with a bitty pinch of vitamin herp powder, & some dechlorinated water until you get a mushy wet pudding and feed the way as noted about. But feed to the side of his mouth so you do not choke him.

If I have to force feed Twiggy tonight I'll try and tape the procedure. It's tough to tape bc I feed him myself, but I'll try and set my phone up so it's taping hands free.

I am worried for your frog. He cannot tolerate any longer delay. Stay strong and motivated. You can still save him if you act quickly, get him to a vet, and force feed him.

I took my scratched injured baby from this ...

To this...

with no experience at all and just guidance from my friends here. And yours will likely eat again. Mine had wounds and social issues. I could explain more, but that'd be for a different thread, not yours.

You can do it! Just hang in there. At this point your frog needs you to do this for him.

Good luck, sweetie!

[UncleChester]

So sorry to hear about your frogs problems.

The vet seems like the way to go now, when you call for an appointment you can ask them how much a general examination costs for an idea of the expense (emergency treatment is likely more though). There are a few in your area, so you can try asking around.

I've happily never had to force feed a frog, but I'd wonder about mashing an earthworm into a syringe instead of a cricket? They are far superior nutritionally.

Sorry I don't have much to add, but I'm hoping your frog will recover.

[Griffin]

iam going to call around and see which place has the most responsible price,also when the time comes,what route should i go for transport?a storm came thru here in vegas and the temps have dropped quite-abit.right now the temp is 36f and a high of 58f for today

[Heatheranne]

Use a small cricket keeper with moist dechlor watered paper towel on all four sides and the bottom. Have the car warmed up. Wrap the outside of your critter keeper in a dark blanket or towel to keep it warm.

I think if it were me I'd cut up some worms into little pieces, add dechlor water and a pinch of the calcium or vita powder and toss it right in the blender. Use leuk warm or slightly warm water, not cold. Like a milkshake for him. It'd be easier to pull up into a syringe.

[GrifTheGreat]

You can also use canned cat food for malnurished cats and dogs. Royal Canine is a good brand. Make sure its not shredded or chunks. It should be the solid lump that's in the shape of the can. You can suck this up in the seinge and force feed it to your frog. It safe and works well. You can mix calcium and vitamins with it as well.

[Heatheranne]

Hows it going? Were you able to feed her?