Theloderma Viv

[Raya]

Hello!

I've been working on a viv for a Theloderma species for a while and I thought it was time to show some pictures of the progress.
The background is made of Epi-Web and moss. I don't think I've got enough lighting for the moss to grow optimaly so it grows pretty slooow. But I think it looks pretty good now.

The plant is a Epipremnum aureum.

Do you think there's enough climbing options for a mossy frog or do I need to add more? What about the water part, more half-submerged stones and such?

[ViperJr]

We need MOAR Theloderma in Sweden!
Love the terrarium, epi-web adds so much to a enclosure. I would try to add some more climbing materials made of braches/wood/something more sturdy than a pothos. It might depend on what species you actually settle for, but the pothos will have a hard time to support the weight and clumsyness of adult corticales (don't really know how large the other species get). I'm pretty sure it will be able to do it eventually, but right now it looks kind of small.
It looks like you have plenty of different items in the water the goes above the waterline, so I would say you have enough. You could always add a nice aquarium plant if you want to be really sure you have enough. Speaking of water, you probably want a aquarium filter to keep the water clean(er). I don't know about the other species, but at least corticale wants moving water, so if you settle for them you definitely want a filter.

[J Teezy]

what kind of terrarium is that? did you build it yourself?

[Raya]

We need MOAR Theloderma in Sweden!
Love the terrarium, epi-web adds so much to a enclosure. I would try to add some more climbing materials made of braches/wood/something more sturdy than a pothos. It might depend on what species you actually settle for, but the pothos will have a hard time to support the weight and clumsyness of adult corticales (don't really know how large the other species get). I'm pretty sure it will be able to do it eventually, but right now it looks kind of small.
It looks like you have plenty of different items in the water the goes above the waterline, so I would say you have enough. You could always add a nice aquarium plant if you want to be really sure you have enough. Speaking of water, you probably want a aquarium filter to keep the water clean(er). I don't know about the other species, but at least corticale wants moving water, so if you settle for them you definitely want a filter.

Thanks!
I think corticale is the biggest of the species. For this one I'm hoping to get an asperum or a gordoni wich is a bit smaller. But I'll look into getting some more sturdy climbing options..
There are a few aquarium plants in there right now but non that reaches out of the water. Got any good ones to recommend?

I have a small filter but I'm not sure if I'll use it. From what I gathered from Sarge's answer in my previous thread ( http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...questions.html ) they don't really want too clean water. And the russians seems to have alot of specialists working with these species and much of the european stock comes from them so I assume they know what they talk about.
Must admit I had forgot about the moving water part I'll have to look up if all species want that or not.

By the way I've been meaning to ask you about the feeding bin you have in your corticale viv. What kind is that, something made for reptiles/amphibians or something custom made?

what kind of terrarium is that? did you build it yourself?

No, I didn't build this myself. Not sure what brand it is since I didn't buy it in a store.

[ViperJr]

Thanks!
I think corticale is the biggest of the species. For this one I'm hoping to get an asperum or a gordoni wich is a bit smaller. But I'll look into getting some more sturdy climbing options..
There are a few aquarium plants in there right now but non that reaches out of the water. Got any good ones to recommend?

Sadly, I'm not very good at aquarium plants... I use two kinds, one "anubias" and one that I do not know the name of, sadly... The anubias does not go above the waterline, only to the surface, but even the small ones are sturdy enough to support a corticale sitting on it with the floating help from the water

I have a small filter but I'm not sure if I'll use it. From what I gathered from Sarge's answer in my previous thread ( http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...questions.html ) they don't really want too clean water. And the russians seems to have alot of specialists working with these species and much of the european stock comes from them so I assume they know what they talk about.
Must admit I had forgot about the moving water part I'll have to look up if all species want that or not.

Yeah, I've read that thread and from what I understand, you want the tannin from the wood/cork in the water. A smaller aquarium filter will not remove that, but it will keep the water clean from other kinds of particles (like waste/shed). Then again, you should take his advice more serious than mine, since he is much more experienced than me. That's just how I understand it. If it turns out that you really don't want a filter, but still need moving water, there's always just pumps without filtration.

By the way I've been meaning to ask you about the feeding bin you have in your corticale viv. What kind is that, something made for reptiles/amphibians or something custom made?

I bought it from a friend, but I'm fairly certain that he said it's just a food bowl for cats/dogs, that comes with a hanger. So you could probably get it at Djurmagazinet, Arken Zoo or something like that. Perhaps even ICA Maxi. I highly recommend it, since it's smooth enough for dubias to not escape and it's easy to clean. It does rust though, so you either want to add a thing layer of silicone or just remove the rust with sand paper or something once in a while. Let me ask my friend where he got it from and I'll get back to you with a definite answer!

[ViperJr]

By the way I've been meaning to ask you about the feeding bin you have in your corticale viv. What kind is that, something made for reptiles/amphibians or something custom made?

Just got confirmation from my friend. They're available at your local Djurmagazinet

[Raya]

Yeah, I've read that thread and from what I understand, you want the tannin from the wood/cork in the water. A smaller aquarium filter will not remove that, but it will keep the water clean from other kinds of particles (like waste/shed). Then again, you should take his advice more serious than mine, since he is much more experienced than me. That's just how I understand it. If it turns out that you really don't want a filter, but still need moving water, there's always just pumps without filtration.

I'll leave the space open for a filter for now and see how I end up going. Gonna try and find some solid information about the moving water part.

Just got confirmation from my friend. They're available at your local Djurmagazinet

Thanks for the info! Gonna have a peek there then

[fluffypanda]

to answer your question i think there is enough climbing space for them I've seen them with no climbing space and they do fine! i think its because the live in caves and all there is are the walls to cling to. and if the filter thing dent workout you could just put a drain in the tank. but it might be a little late for that

[Raya]

It might be enough but I think I'll add another woodbranch.

Do you think a viv can get to crowded with decorations (from the frogs point of view)?

[ViperJr]

Well, it'll obviously be too crowded if they can't even move around, but with just adding some more branches, I don't think that's going to be a problem
Decided on a species yet?

[Raya]

Yep, just picked it up like a hour ago

[ViperJr]

Reallly? Pics or it didn't happen!

[Raya]

Haha, pics when he has settled in alright. He's hiding right now and I'm nervous as hell until I've seen him feed :/

He's a T. Gordoni btw

[ViperJr]

Where did you find a gordonii in Djupaste Värmland?!
Congratulations on your new frog! Can't wait for pictures and updates.

[Raya]

Thanks!

I actually got him from a store in Stockholm. Luckily I have family that travels that route sometimes so they brought him with them.

I'll start a picture thread as soon as I dare to take pictures of him, I promise!

[thadmy]

GREAT viv, I think when I get around to doing my viv for T. corticale I'm going to set it up like you did. Not sure if I'll use epiweb or not but who knows.