Agalychnis merge

[ViperJr]

Hello fellow frog forumeers!
Flybyferns recently showed this interesting article about hybridization between A. moreletii and A. annae. It's overall a nice read and I suggest anyone interesting in more than just keeping the frogs to give it a go. However, I stumbled upon something I was totally unaware of, and that I would like to get some clarification on. As far as I knew, the Agalychnis genus currently contained 6 species:
A. salator A. spurelli A. litodryas A. annae A. moreletii A. agalychnis

I just want to correct myself (since I can't edit the original post now). The A. agalychnis is supposed to be A. callidryas. That's what you get when typing a long topic at 3 AM...

[flybyferns]

Hi Martin,

<I just want to correct myself (since I can't edit the original post now). The A. agalychnis is supposed to be A. callidryas. That's what you get when typing a long topic at 3 AM...<

lol

I personally knew what you meant!
Don't you sleep ???

What caught my interest in the original article were the similarities ( enough to interbreed) between the A. moreletii and A. annae.
AND??? the possibility of other , likely unknown, similarities between the others of which we thought to be 6 and now 14 in the Agalychnis species. Imagine that !

Lynn

[flybyferns]

Hi Martin,
I am very interested in the “tadpole tea” ( see below )
For reading in our spare time
Way more interesting than my, redundant, boards material I have to cover !

Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute-Agalychnis lemur Boulenger 1882

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15 species ?
also check out the “tadpole tea” – wow- red lettering !! – scroll ½ way down
-in link below

Agalychnis and Cruziohyla species @ Agalychnis.de

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1102/1102.4039.pdf

Names matching the pattern 'Agalychnis' | Amphibian Species of the World

possible contact for above:
>Copyright © 1998-2011, Darrel Frost and The American Museum of Natural History. All Rights Reserved.
Send inquiries to Darrel Frost <frost at amnh org>.<

BioLib - Agalychnis - Species

BioLib - Agalychnis

see links to literature

BioLib - Agalychnis - Links and literature

Lynn

[wesleybrouwer]

It's correct what Andrew stated.
Since the last revision done by Faivovich et al. in 2009/2010 there has been some changes in the Phyllomedusinae.
I won't go to deep into detail, since it's rather difficult material, especially to discuss in a foreign language

The genus Agalychnis so far consists of 14 species (according to Faivovich et al.) , namely:

Agalychnis annae (Duellman, 1963)
Agalychnis aspera (Peters, 1873)
Agalychnis buckleyi (Boulenger, 1882)
Agalychnis callidryas (Cope, 1862)
Agalychnis dacnicolor (Cope, 1864)
Agalychnis danieli (Ruiz-Carranza, Hernández-Camacho, and Rueda-Almonacid, 1988)
Agalychnis granulosa (Cruz, 1989)
Agalychnis hulli (Duellman and Mendelson, 1995)
Agalychnis lemur (Boulenger, 1882)
Agalychnis medinae (Funkhouser, 1962)
Agalychnis moreletii (Duméril, 1853)
Agalychnis psilopygion (Cannatella, 1980)
Agalychnis saltator Taylor, 1955
Agalychnis spurrelli Boulenger, 1913

The Agalychnis litodryas is found to be synonym to spurelli based upon DNA research.

Main reason for new revision is that the recently surrected Hylomantis proven to be paraphylic with members being synonym for Agalychnis,
by revising these species we get a better evolutionary taxonomy, called cladistics.

Here some info on what this means, why explain if it's already done better then i can do it
Cladistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paraphyly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monophyly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's true that some things may get difficult by all the revisions.
For example the lemur has switched between originally belonging to Agalychnis and Phyllomedusa quit some times,
in 2005 they were placed in the newly surrected genus of Hylomantis.
Now after new research there is descided to place them back in the genus of Agalychnis.

Most likely in the near future some more changes will follow, since they didn't have access to DNA of all members from the subfamily of Phyllomedusinae.
They only had access to 45 of the 60 species of phyllomedusines.

I must have the papers around here somewhere.
Not sure if i may just upload it, but i might mail it to you so you can read the complete supportive papers going with this hypothesis.
Strange but true, the name changes are only vallid as other researchers and such are convinced by the validity of the research findings and take on the revision or cite in their own publications.

[wesleybrouwer]

This is the right taxonomy used since the revision, not yet completely supported so it seems tho

Names matching the pattern 'Agalychnis' | Amphibian Species of the World

Not sure if allowed, but here is the scientific paper worth a read trough,
if not allowed....sorry in advance.

[ViperJr]

Wesleybrouwer to the rescue once again! Thanks a lot for the answers. So, basically it's just that Wikipedia/Wikispecies/Amphibanweb are all unupdated (which I've figured out already), and on top of that, the research is not yet completely supported. But right now it's most accurate to consider Agalychnis a genus of 14 species.

Thanks for the paper about it, I'm going to read it. Also, someone with a lot better English (and general understanding of the subject) than me should update Wikipedia... Hint hint, Wesleybrouwer

[wesleybrouwer]

Wesleybrouwer to the rescue once again! Thanks a lot for the answers. So, basically it's just that Wikipedia/Wikispecies/Amphibanweb are all unupdated (which I've figured out already), and on top of that, the research is not yet completely supported. But right now it's most accurate to consider Agalychnis a genus of 14 species.

Thanks for the paper about it, I'm going to read it. Also, someone with a lot better English (and general understanding of the subject) than me should update Wikipedia... Hint hint, Wesleybrouwer

That's to much honor
I am still improving my English.
Because of the English magazine i got the chance of improving my English some more over the past couple of years,
the more you read and use it, the better it gets.
But i guess i'm still far off the quality of native speakers.

It's true that some prominent reference sites aren't keeping up with the latest nomenclature.
Most of the times i bring it to their attention, but still they don't always fix the errors, not sure why.
Still got a hard time with the faulty use of M.stelzneri for klappenbachi over seas as well,
around here i gladly see most changed the name, perhaps my English isn't good enough to explain the more difficult subjects
For some species the nomenclature even depends on the author, especially in Bufonids there is a lot of confusion.

Perhaps a native speaker will be able to read and understand the publication and adjust the wikipedia according to this
Amphibiaweb for some reason isn't to quick changing names.
Mailed them a while ago about the klappenbachi as well.
But so you see, never trust internet resources blind
American Museum of Natural History
Amphibian Species of the World however is mostly quit accurate on the names.

[ZdeJonge]

Thank you, interesting information.
Going to read that paper :-)

[flybyferns]

Hi Wesley,
Thanks,
I bet Martin will enjoy this.
I had seen your first link in your reply.
Page 259 of the scientific paper is quite helpful!
Lynn

[flybyferns]

It's correct what Andrew stated.
Since the last revision done by Faivovich et al. in 2009/2010 there has been some changes in the Phyllomedusinae.
I won't go to deep into detail, since it's rather difficult material, especially to discuss in a foreign language

The genus Agalychnis so far consists of 14 species (according to Faivovich et al.) , namely:

Agalychnis annae (Duellman, 1963)
Agalychnis aspera (Peters, 1873)
Agalychnis buckleyi (Boulenger, 1882)
Agalychnis callidryas (Cope, 1862)
Agalychnis dacnicolor (Cope, 1864)
Agalychnis danieli (Ruiz-Carranza, Hernández-Camacho, and Rueda-Almonacid, 1988)
Agalychnis granulosa (Cruz, 1989)
Agalychnis hulli (Duellman and Mendelson, 1995)
Agalychnis lemur (Boulenger, 1882)
Agalychnis medinae (Funkhouser, 1962)
Agalychnis moreletii (Duméril, 1853)
Agalychnis psilopygion (Cannatella, 1980)
Agalychnis saltator Taylor, 1955
Agalychnis spurrelli Boulenger, 1913

The Agalychnis litodryas is found to be synonym to spurelli based upon DNA research.

Main reason for new revision is that the recently surrected Hylomantis proven to be paraphylic with members being synonym for Agalychnis,
by revising these species we get a better evolutionary taxonomy, called cladistics.

Here some info on what this means, why explain if it's already done better then i can do it
Cladistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Paraphyly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monophyly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's true that some things may get difficult by all the revisions.
For example the lemur has switched between originally belonging to Agalychnis and Phyllomedusa quit some times,
in 2005 they were placed in the newly surrected genus of Hylomantis.
Now after new research there is descided to place them back in the genus of Agalychnis.

Most likely in the near future some more changes will follow, since they didn't have access to DNA of all members from the subfamily of Phyllomedusinae.
They only had access to 45 of the 60 species of phyllomedusines.

I must have the papers around here somewhere.
Not sure if i may just upload it, but i might mail it to you so you can read the complete supportive papers going with this hypothesis.
Strange but true, the name changes are only vallid as other researchers and such are convinced by the validity of the research findings and take on the revision or cite in their own publications.

Wesley,
>The Agalychnis litodryas is found to be synonym to spurelli based upon DNA research.<

This would explain why in one paper I read, I counted 15 species. It neglected to differentiate this.
Lynn