I actually got my whites from a local shop that has shut down recently. He has decideded to focus more on his trophy high end snakes, it was a better financial decision for him. I have had my WTFs for close to 2 years now. I know that the Petco by my house almost always has Dumpy's. I think they are $20 each. I have seen a few blue phase pass through there as well. Plus in the spring they will start popping up pretty regularly, I have noticed that they are not real plentiful in the winter months. Hope this helps, wish I had more info for ya.