Quote Originally Posted by ViperJr View Post
First of all, my post have been cluttered with "personally", "I find", "I think", "I beleive" etc. This means I'm talking about my opinion on these subjects, not necessarily what's objectively right or wrong. I said that I, personally, In my humble opinion, find your statement that we are all arguing for nothing, is a little bit strange, since we are not. We are agreeing on some points, but not on some other. A civilized discussion between people with different opinion is not "for nothing". I do agree with some of the things that have been said here, which I have state several times already. But then again, I have a different opinion on some of the things that are talked about. People having different opinions, and the heart to talk about them, is nothing but good, as long as people know how to discuss without thinking that they are attacked personally. Which leads me to my next point...



How am I ganging up with anyone? Because we have the same opinion..? If so, then you, tgampper, Jenste and kauluck are all horribly ganging up on me, assaulting me even! Of course, that's not the case, and you are not ganging up. Just as I did not gang up with anyone. I just said what I believed, and it's not agreed by everyone, but then again, some do agree. Nothing strange or assaulting in that. I really beleive that people (in general) need to discuss without feeling attacked. I think this subject is a very good one to discuss, and it obviously is since there are different opinions about it. The keyword is just to discuss, not just blinding scream at and flame everyone that does not share your opinions.



Just to clarify one last time, since this was the ending question in your post: We are discussing because we have different opinions (about some things, while agreeing on others), simple as that. It sometimes seems like this forum in general (not saying that you or anyone else in this discussion thinks this) treats discussion as bad thing and that it should be avoided by all means. That's bad, if you ask me. Discussion is good. Discussion is a way of learning and sharing opinions. People just need to learn that it's the topic that are discussed, not the people. A forum is meant to be a place where discussion is held, just look at actual word "forum"


EDIT1: I just want to say again, that I personally think sending an angry PM to someone is far more intimidating that replying with a post. But that could very well be just me. (And again, just being plainly mean is not good in any way)

EDIT2: Lastly, I'm done clarifying what a discussion is, and will therefore not adress that anymore. I've delivered my opinion and beliefs on this topic. I will continue following this thread, but only reply to "new information", so to say. I hope everyone reads this thread, since it's a good subject to discuss!
It seems like an arguement rather than a discussion because one member that disagreed on your opinions which was seconded by Royce showing you both agreed on the same thing which inturn is frustrating and obviously makeing Gail feel ganged up on to the point to where she no longer wants to respond to a thread she started in the first place.. Since you both reply nack to her at the same time on the same pos and even with sarchasm which in itelf is rude and unecessary. When you voice your opinion in a pushy manner or use sarchasm in a "discussion" it quickly turns to arguement. I've said it a million times "There are no friendly arguements or discussions" now of course not always true, but every friendly discussion I've ever encountered on here that contains difference of opinion which all are entitled too, it ends like this. One or more people angry when all should have been avoided rather than fueled.

I myself agree with both sides. As you both are right and I w hope you all can see that. Since there is a right way to tell someone they are wrong publically without offending them and using the PM to voice your feelings twards them on their wrongful actions. Now they will feel personally attacked IF you make it so. How we word our replies shows a lot about us does it not? To as you said flame someone infers to really lay into them which probably contains insults as well. I believe this is where ill leave this discussion because ive stated my opinion and so have you all and everyone here has made very valid points and I feel it is settled. You agree and disagree and rather to try and change someone elses opinion it should be respected and let be.

I think we all can agree on that